vwbusguy,
@vwbusguy@mastodon.online avatar

It looks like my payments just abruptly went up by $1,000/mo. again. So, I guess this will be three times I've had to re-apply for a IDR/SAVE plan with in the past 3 months.

papa_robot,

@vwbusguy WTF ? are there fixed-interest loans ? I'm about to apply for one :(

vwbusguy,
@vwbusguy@mastodon.online avatar

@papa_robot It defaults back to a Standard Repayment if there's no other plan. MOHELA effectively just put me on the SAVE plan for about a month before sending a letter saying I am back on the default Standard Repayment but without saying why. Naturally, their website warns they are experience very high call volume right now.

vwbusguy,
@vwbusguy@mastodon.online avatar

@papa_robot I think it's genuinely hard for people who aren't dealing with student loans and PSLF to grasp just how incredibly broken this whole system is.

joel,
@joel@fosstodon.org avatar

@vwbusguy @papa_robot I paid like 60 bucks per semester and I will pay like, 300 bucks to get my degree. I don't understand the US education system :blobcatderpy:

freemo,
@freemo@qoto.org avatar

@joel What does that have to do with america? You are literally paying a small fraction of what people pay in pretty much any country in the world, including most of europe.

papa_robot,

@freemo @joel
i it called public education , when it is not treated as
a business. many countries have it

freemo,
@freemo@qoto.org avatar

@papa_robot

Yea, like America. But again despite many countries having it, very few have it anywhere near the price you mentioned.

@joel

papa_robot,
freemo,
@freemo@qoto.org avatar

@papa_robot

Why did you just link me to a map related to something we arent discussing (free college offered specifically to international students) instead of a link to what we are discussing (public college that is cheap to everyone)?

@joel

papa_robot,

@freemo @joel
not for everyone. even in india and mx, you have to either met the requirement or score high in the national exams

freemo,
@freemo@qoto.org avatar

@papa_robot

Regardless your link doesnt address the discussion.. What does inexpensive public college have to do with the USA which has inexpensive public colleges as well? Why call out america as opposed to the many countries that do not have public colleges, like some of the ones in europe?

@joel

papa_robot,

@freemo @joel
the "inexpensive" college in USA is around 200-300K

freemo,
@freemo@qoto.org avatar

@papa_robot

What are you on about... not a single one of our public colleges are that expensive. You are thinking of private institutions, which again also exist in Europe and are just as expensive.

Public colleges are single digits and below here.

@joel

papa_robot,

@freemo @joel
USA:
$194,040 a nonprofit private for 4 years

$85,480 4y in the cheapest public college (in state).

cheapest is my state $32,000 per year

freemo,
@freemo@qoto.org avatar

@papa_robot

Absolutely false. Cheapest public/community college in the USA is Luna Community College, tuition is only $886.

@joel

freemo,
@freemo@qoto.org avatar

@papa_robot

inb4: Before you try to move the goal post again and claim your limiting yourself to 4y colleges.. Well even there you are wrong. Cheapest 4 year college is only $1,640 total. California State University–Dominquez Hills

@joel

papa_robot,

@freemo @joel
suit yourself, you can speak about kindergarten if you want. I was talking about ranked universities. like UNAM mx, IPN, etc.

freemo,
@freemo@qoto.org avatar

@papa_robot

So was I. The school I mentioned, despite being the cheapest in the USA is ranked decently. But yea keep moving that goal post.

@joel

JamesDBartlett3,
@JamesDBartlett3@techhub.social avatar

@freemo
That's in-state tuition. It requires that you already be a resident of the state of California. Do you know how expensive it is to live in California?
@papa_robot @joel

freemo,
@freemo@qoto.org avatar

@JamesDBartlett3

Good thing I grabbed it from a list of 25 schools all around the same price in the USA all in different states then huh?

@papa_robot @joel

papa_robot,

@freemo @joel
LOLOLOL .. oh yeah and trade school costs $5,000 to $15,000. ... I'm talking about universities.

freemo,
@freemo@qoto.org avatar

@papa_robot

Saw that goal post getting moved a mile away. You are still wrong. Cheapest 4 year public school is still no where near the prices you mentioned at the cheapest being only $1.6K net.

https://qoto.org/@freemo/111882731189351809

@joel

papa_robot,
freemo,
@freemo@qoto.org avatar

@papa_robot

I specifically told you both the cheapest public 2year and cheapest public 4 year college in the USA. I pulled it from a list of over 25 colleges all under $2k.

Given that I already told you the cheapest and the price, why did you go and get a list of schools that are clearly much higher in tuition knowing it was already shown to you that there are many cheaper schools?

We call that cherry pickinging. just spewing through links till you find one that backs up your argument while ignoring all the counter-evidence along the way.

@joel

joel,
@joel@fosstodon.org avatar

@freemo hey, I don't know what triggered this kind of response?

It's over 10 PM, I just made a funny comment on this little corner of the internet and don't think much about things alright? Have a good night!

freemo,
@freemo@qoto.org avatar

@joel Huh? "this kind of response"... what kind? Why would you have to think much about things... no one said you said anything morally wrong, what would you have had to think of?

joel,
@joel@fosstodon.org avatar

@freemo alright I'll answer the original comment then.

It has nothing to do with the US, I live in Mexico and I just said what I paid for comparison. You say the US has cheap education too. Sure, I've never seen anyone comment how glad they are they took public cheap education in the US, only complaints and loans and whatever else, maybe I'm just not exposed to the right people or whatever, that's just what I've seen and if its a wrong viewpoint then let it be wrong :blobcatderpy:

freemo,
@freemo@qoto.org avatar

@joel

> that's just what I've seen and if its a wrong viewpoint then let it be wrong

That seems like an odd statement. Almost comes across that your offended because someone is correcting something. Nothing rude with correcting something.

joel,
@joel@fosstodon.org avatar

@freemo its not that I don't want to be corrected its just that it doesn't concern me at all, if its true or not I already studied and I'm alright.

I could have never posted that comment, you could've never answered me and my life wouldn't really be affected :blobcatderpy:

Seriously, I am just joking around don't take this that seriously xD

freemo,
@freemo@qoto.org avatar

@joel I get that, I am just confused why if it simply didnt interest you you went through multiple messages now to point out it didnt interest you and then talked about it. Why do through all that trouble rather than just do what most people do when a discussion isnt interested for them... just dont join it.

joel,
@joel@fosstodon.org avatar

@freemo because this is too funny xD

"Let it be wrong"
"Have a good night"
"Don't take this too seriously"

All my comments ended in a conclusive manner, if you hadn't replied it would have been over but I guess I keep replying cuz you keep doing it too :blobcatderpy:

Alright I'll go sleep now

freemo,
@freemo@qoto.org avatar

@joel

Sleep well, yes just don't respond if you don't want to. If others want to respond they will. You don't need to make it this complicated man, really.

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