osma,

Macron (France) is turning around their boneheaded stance that all European funded ammunition supply to Ukraine would have to come from European production that doesn't exist yet. Way late, too late for thousands of defenders who paid for this gap wiith their lives, but hopefully still better late than never.

And if this boots on the ground part actually would mean, like NATO air surveillance and defense, that'd make a LOT of sense to me.
https://www.politico.eu/article/emmanuel-macron-doesnt-rule-out-sending-troops-to-ukraine-ammo/?utm_source=flipboard&utm_medium=activitypub

anderspuck,
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@osma Good. There is an important discussion to be had about the role of American weapons production if the Americans are not willing to fund supplies to Ukraine themselves.

elpolacodesplegado,
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@anderspuck
We all bought aircraft that can basically be left to rot without any over the air updates. 600 F-35s in Europe and Lockheed Martin gets to say when they fly.
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anderspuck,
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@elpolacodesplegado @osma Yes, but right here I was actually more thinking about the American capacity for production of artillery shells. That could be a quick way to get Ukraine the ammunition they need, even if the Americans won’t fund it themselves.

elpolacodesplegado,
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@anderspuck @osma At the point where the prospect is either a Trump victory in November or being abandoned due to higher priorities in the Pacific we would perpetuate our reliance when we need capabilities of our own (just as Ukraine needs them). We should stop screwing around, purchase whatever the Czechs have dug up and finish the factories we are building (including the ones in Ukraine).

anderspuck,
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@elpolacodesplegado @osma absolutely. But it’s also just about getting everything to Ukraine that we can get our hands on.

Paladin,
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@anderspuck @osma We need boots in west of Ukraine to release and support Ukraines troops.

osma,

@Paladin
I've long argued that western Ukraine airspace should be surveilled by European air forces, logistics could use allied operations, and that even ground deployment along the Ukraine-Belarus border might be justified - precisely so that Ukraine could concentrate on the actual frontline.
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