Would there be any interest in a voiceover tutorial app? Firstly, and most importantly, for iOS, but potentially also on watchOS and tvOS, and maybe even macOS, because the current voiceover tutorial is archaic. Please boost for a larger sample size!
@TheQuinbox that would be awesome. I don’t need one, but you can best believe I would play with it. I miss Looktell voiceover tutorial for that reason.
@TheQuinbox Mac, gods yes, as a new Mac user still unable to get one particular thing done because everything everyone tells me does not work... I want this I need this. It would be awesome.
@blindbat84@TheQuinbox It might help me as well. Then again... a more structured Mac tutorial might, in general. The Mac just doesn't feel intuitive to me beyond the very basics of navigation with voiceover.
@JesseF8693@TheQuinbox It is not intuitive at all. I'm actually going to setup a call with Apple accessibility to run through some of the stuff I'm having issue with in fact.
@blindbat84@TheQuinbox My biggest annoyance right now is with single letter navigation on the web. For some reason no matter where I am on a page, if I press any letter with it enabled it starts typing instead of looking for the element I want.
@devinprater@TheQuinbox As would I! Here in NC, we have clients we get iPads for, and they could definitely benefit from a VoiceOver tutorial. Of course we do have the VoiceOver help mode, but it would be nice to have a guide like on the Mac or on Android.
@TheQuinbox And documentation, they still don't explain what flat vs grouped navigation is supposed to do and I never could find gestures to navigate those groups
@TheQuinbox@x0 My two finger swipe left and right does my rotor. I set a four finger swipe down for next heading and four finger swipe up for previous heading. Love those custom gestures! Now, what’s with the various braille settings in the rotor?
@TheQuinbox The problem with any kind of VO tutorial, even a built-in one, is that you need to know how to get to it first. When I helped people out with setting up iPhones, the major barrier that almost nobody could get through was setting up an AppleID, which you need to get an app. I don’t see this being useful for users directly, but perhaps ask in parent / AT Trainer / Special Ed circles, those people probably need it more.
@TheQuinbox@mikedoise Hmm. I'm not entirely sure. I just know that there was some kind of iAccessibility VoiceOver tutorial app thingy that existed at one point in the not too distant past.
@jscholes Yeah, fair enough. I think it would appeal widest to iOS first, though, simply because that’s the Apple platform with the largest market share, and a lot blind people are… not fond of Macs haha.
@TheQuinbox I agree. Although I’m also not ashamed to admit that one of the reasons I hate using the Mac is that I simply don’t know how to do so efficiently. And the outdated tutorial does not set anybody up to win, for example, by not teaching what I consider basic things like how to read and dismiss system notifications that need attention.
@jscholes@TheQuinbox so exactly this. I've never seen a mac user faster than me in terms of efficiency or effectiveness. Nobody claims using the web is smooth or fast, and whilst 3 quarters of the workplaces, academic institutions and households are still using windows, where's the insentive to move on? The only area in which Mac users outpace Windows ones in the blind space that I've ever seen is music production, and that only seems true due to Logic and specific hardware like Komplete.
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