eniko,
@eniko@peoplemaking.games avatar

so who's idea was it exactly to make a US-based mastodon non-profit and bring in a bunch of vulture capitalists and "AI" tech bros to "help" grow the ecosystem

oblomov,
@oblomov@sociale.network avatar

@eniko it's really fascinating to see Mastodon speed up on the path of enshittification without even having the kind of budget that would make it worth it financially.

jdp23,

enshittification's not just for profitable multinational's any more!

brb, i'm off to write a think piece on "the democratization of enshittifcation"

@oblomov @eniko

fistfulofdave,
@fistfulofdave@mastodon.social avatar

@oblomov @eniko enshitification is the process to profit!

oblomov,
@oblomov@sociale.network avatar

@fistfulofdave @eniko that only works when there's already a large captive user population.

Doomed_Daniel,
@Doomed_Daniel@mastodon.gamedev.place avatar

@oblomov @eniko
In these great modern times of expensive AI nonsense we can have enshittification that doesn't even generate a profit but actually costs companies money for every user.
What a time to be alive!

heavilydoped,
@heavilydoped@mastodon.social avatar

@eniko hold the phone. Who’s on the board now?

What the fuck does AI have to do with this

eniko,
@eniko@peoplemaking.games avatar
doctormo,
@doctormo@floss.social avatar

@eniko you don't seem to have much faith in the fediverse or open source system.

Who cares what these guys do or do not do. It doesn't actually matter at all.

I'd say that these types of messages are more damaging at this point since it shows we don't trust the systems and regulations that we set up for ourselves.

rysiek, (edited )
@rysiek@mstdn.social avatar

@doctormo I would argue that part of these regulations, most of which are unwritten, is "no VCs in positions of power around here, please".

And an important element of these systems you mention is calling out when such regulations, even if unwritten, are being ignored.

It's not like Gargron is unaware of these unwritten regulations, either. He actively promoted Mastodon on them not even full 2y ago:
https://www.pcmag.com/news/mastodon-rejects-funding-offers-to-preserve-nonprofit-status-founder-says

@eniko

rysiek,
@rysiek@mstdn.social avatar

@doctormo I would argue, further, that calling out such things is in fact demonstrating the faith in the fediverse and open source.

After all, why call it out if you don't believe it would matter? Why call it out, if you have no faith in these regulations and these systems you mentioned?

Two AI-connected venture-capital-linked guys are now on Mastodon's US non-profit board. That is jarring. Calling it out is absolutely the right thing to do.

@eniko

eniko,
@eniko@peoplemaking.games avatar

@rysiek @doctormo fwiw i have absolute faith in capital ruining good things for no good reason

doctormo,
@doctormo@floss.social avatar

@rysiek @eniko

Yes, but the US board doesn't matter.

It's not functionally a dependency on anything.

And if our systems really do depend on hyper-vigilance then we may have more structural problems. And anxiety problems.

I hate VCs, I dislike AI hype. I have zero trust in any of these guys. But I rather hoped we'd gotten to the point of not needing to trust them at all.

rysiek,
@rysiek@mstdn.social avatar

@doctormo if Gargron is okay with seating these guys on any kind of Mastodon-connected board, it is a red flag also in the context of Mastodon-the-software and Mastodon gGmbH.

@eniko

doctormo,
@doctormo@floss.social avatar

@rysiek @eniko

Yes. And?

Gargon is like a golf course of red flags. 😏

We'd be a pretty sorry state if we couldn't ignore one bad king.

rysiek,
@rysiek@mstdn.social avatar

@doctormo you're not wrong here, of course.

I don't think we're in peachy shape either, though. And if this leads to other instance software to mature and become better, gaining more mind share and donations, I would definitely not hate that outcome.

@eniko

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