Popehat, (edited )

The Supreme Court has clarified the subjective component of the "true threats" test, making the First Amendment's exception for true threats a bit clearer

https://popehat.substack.com/p/supreme-court-clarifies-true-threats

iquaanyin,

@Popehat lol!

digitalqualms,
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geobeck,

@Popehat
In light of the difficulty of proving a threat, should the Colorado case have proceeded under a different charge, such as harassment? Or would any such charge be subject to a first amendment defense?

If someone inundates another person with unwelcome (but non-threatening) communication, is it actionable?

diagda,

@Popehat Hi do,you,think the supreme court is trending towards mirroring Germany’s laws on inciting and making threats or hinting to do harm as not protected and actionable? this case test seems to apply to for example Mr. Trump who has used the public square to bully and threaten public figures like judges and law enforcement? would this mean they as in cities or even states ban trump from speaking or charge trump? interesting

Biz5th,

@diagda @Popehat

I'm sorry if this is a dumb question, but does this decision have any application to whether Trump was inciting violence in the run-up to January 6th?

Popehat,

@Biz5th @diagda Not dumb. But that was likely an incitement theory, and this is true threats, which is different. “Go do that” vs “I will do that.”

rollingmill,

@Popehat @Biz5th @diagda Would the Ritrenhouse case also provide an example of incitement theory? One reasonably expects a crowd to act defensively for themselves and others with them when an individual approaches with a weapon. Actions that could cause the individual to feel threatened and respond defensively.

dragonfrog,
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@Popehat

(...)courts have used a (purportedly) objective standard to determine whether a threat is true, asking whether a reasonable person, familiar with the context, would interpret the threat as a sincere expression of intent to do harm.(...)

But for many years, American courts have disagreed on whether there is also a subjective element to the definition (...)"

The question to me is not, does that also have a subjective element, but does it have any objective element at all?

kkeller,
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@Popehat that's a pretty crazy split among the justices.

Well except for Thomas, who proves once again that he's nutso.

ccount,

@Popehat
Huh. Like flouting mire in a knouted feeder

MrQuindazzi,

@Popehat Thank you very much for the explanation.

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