@_Jordan Zionism is not Judaism, and Judaism is not Zionism :/
Being anti Zionism is about as antisemitic as supporting the separation of church and state.
Christian nationalists don't get a lot of popular support either. And look what's happened with all the Muslim nationalist states that got stood up in the last several decades lol
@dango_ They are closely, intricately related. The prevailing wisdom online is that they have nothing to do with each other, which is downright laughable.
@_Jordan being opposed nation claiming to be built exclusively for an group of peoples is not the same as being opposed to the peoples for whom the nation claims to speak for. To state otherwise is to steal the voice of those who do not agree with you.
@dango_ No? “Zionism” makes absolutely no sense as used in the UCI encampment’s demands. A simple substitution of their usage of the term with its meaning will demonstrate this. Unless of course they are referring to Jewish organizations and individuals with mainstream Jewish beliefs, which they know they can’t get away with saying. I’d rather they just be honest!
@_Jordan Zionism is a pretty clear disambiguator for those organizations and people supporting the current state of Israel, as opposed to Judaism. There are also non Jewish organizations backing the Israeli state, and non Jewish Zionists.
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@_Jordan I was definitely surprised the first time I discovered as a kid that the "Jewish summer camp" was actually an "Israeli summer camp", and understand that there are a lot of organizations with "Jewish" in the name that are explicitly Israeli/Zionist. That doesn't make them the same thing.
@dango_ I’m surprised that anyone would be surprised by that. “Anti-Zionism” (to the extent that it actually means anything today) is basically a fringe movement among the diasporic Jewish community and has consistently been such since the Holocaust, heavily overrepresented in young, online circles. The idea that a Jewish summer camp in the U.S. (or even a Jewish Community Center) would somehow not be “Zionist” or disregard any ties to the modern state of Israel is practically unheard of.
Being Jewish, is, largely, something you are, not something you choose. Discriminating based on origin, ethnicity, is not a great thing.
Being Zionist, as I've seen it, is something you choose, not something you are. No one is born Zionist. Its an ideology and should be eligible to be subject to criticism.
By saying "well Zionism and Judaism are basically the same thing", you're dismissing criticism of the ideology as hate based on origin.
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