j2bryson,
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This really seems underreported, presumably because it’s a Russian assault on NATO infrastructure, and no one wants to admit we’re at war?

Russia accused of GPS jamming after aircraft disrupted

Finnair suspended flights to the Estonian city of Tartu after GPS signal interference prevented two planes from landing. Estonia and Lithuania have blamed Russia for jamming GPS signals in the region.
https://www.dw.com/en/russia-accused-of-gps-jamming-after-aircraft-disrupted/a-68964307?

vfrmedia,
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@j2bryson looking at gpsjam.org (access to which is now intermittent) there was interference well into parts of Finland and other areas of Europe - also what appears to be Israel(?) doing the same in the Middle East.

However the signals seem to be airborne and not affecting GNSS services on the ground.

I do believe EU/UK/"the West" seems to be in denial about the scale of conflict and the potential of various escalations that will affect civilian populations outside the main warzones..

kravietz,
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@vfrmedia

Russia has many options to escalate below the full-scale war threshold, and they will undoubtedly use all of them at suitable moments.

For example, merely concentrating their armed forces on the border of say Latvia or Estonia would already cause significant harm to their economies by scaring away investors and trade, in the same way it did in 2021-2022 to Ukraine. Placing several batteries of long-range anti-air systems on the border would paralyze any air traffic. The “immigrant waves” on the border are also another way of pressure, especially when you don’t know how many of them are actual immigrants lured into Belarus and how many are “Wagner” operatives.

This is continuously being discussed in the Eastern European expert circles as they are, understandably, the most impacted. Western Europe at the same time seems to be obsessed with maintaining status quo and clearly much more concerned about Russia’s political stability than Kremlin itself, and thus continuously setting “red lines” for itself, not for Russia.

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j2bryson,
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@kravietz @vfrmedia There were also massive fires lit on the hottest days of the (hot!) summer of 2022 lit outside Paris & Berlin. In Berlin, someone blew up at ~5am (coldest time, but before the hottest day) the old munitions dump (recovered WWII stuff etc) southwest of the city, took a few days to put out. In Paris it was a series of fires lit at specific time intervals, but I'm not aware of any particular targets that were burnt.

kravietz,
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@j2bryson

And that’s to be honest what had always puzzled me, because Western Europe wasn’t really ever left in peace by Russians, with dozens of poisonings, killings, sabotage, the Wirecard fraud… yet they always preferred to pretend everything is fine and forgive Russians anything they did.

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j2bryson,
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@kravietz @vfrmedia my guess: Some combination of fear of war, too much tolerance of the status quo vs fear of uncertain future, and the fact that some powerful people within every country believe (often falsely) that their interests align with those trying to undermine the rule of law, particularly limits on what they can do financially .

t_mkdf,
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@kravietz @j2bryson @vfrmedia for western Europe it's also hybris, over reliance on economic ties. And in view of Germany guilt and forgiveness.

And tbh russia just wasn't important enough and seen as an ally against Islamism.

kravietz,
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@t_mkdf

This „guilt and forgiveness” is a deeply confused one — people who see Russian politicians literally parroting Hitler’s narratives and say „oh we shouldn’t really oppose them because that would be a Nazi thing to do”🤦

t_mkdf,
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@kravietz @j2bryson @vfrmedia self deterrence.

kravietz,
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@t_mkdf

Exactly, that’s a perfect name 😂 The dumbest argument I’ve heard is that EU and NATO needs to ensure Russia doesn’t collapse uncontrollably, implying Russia can’t lose the war. As if it wasn’t Russia’s own responsibility not to collapse. That’s like saying US and Europe needs to ensure Franco, Mussolini and Hitler’s regimes “can’t collapse uncontrollably” in 1930’s and implying France or Poland shouldn’t resist German invasion.

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