futurebird,
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Currently sowing a tiny garden for my field ants. I've kept field ants before and they didn't really thrive. I'm hoping if I can arrange for them to tend a heard of aphids they will be happier.

They colony is about 15 strong, and the queen is lovely shiny and black. They are also very nervous and freak out at every new sound and vibration. Will a box of green plants calm them? We shall see!

janbogar,
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@futurebird Regarding aphids: I just found an aphid infestation in my garden (central Europe), tended to by ants, and I was wondering: I assume ants are territorial and not all species farm aphids...wouldn't it be possible to control aphids by introducing competing ant species that would push out the aphid farming colony?

I haven't seen this aphid control method mentioned anywhere, and you came to mind as the ant expert who might know :)

futurebird,
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@janbogar

Ants that don't farm aphids won't have a good reason to be on the plant. The best bet is removing the aphids with some sticky tape. This will annoy the ants, but they have other options for food.

barrygoldman1,
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@futurebird who are field ants?

futurebird,
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@barrygoldman1

Formica subsericea: the world's most nervous ants.

barrygoldman1,
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@futurebird one day i will learn to key out Formica. i remember back when i watched ants. there were at least 3

  1. exsectoides, easy to spot
  2. black ones that invaded exsectoides nests? and defended with vigourous biting
  3. ones on the lawn that ran around like crazy.

no doubt i was seeing other spp too.

faassen,
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@futurebird
There is an ant colony that caters to the aphids in my redcurrant bush. There are so many aphids the leaves curl, yet the plant keeps producing currants. I hate picking them as the ants sting me.

futurebird,
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@faassen

The ants think you are trying to steal the valuable aphids. LOL.

One way to remove aphids is with sticky tape. Though the ants will just bring them back. What kind of ants are they?

faassen,
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@futurebird
Good question about the species. I don't consider them big enemies so have done less research!

They are black ones you see in gardens a lot in the Netherlands. Possibly Lasius niger? I shall try to stare at them more to figure it out this summer. I think the same species also likes making colonies in the bag of compost I keep in the greenhouse.

futurebird,
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@faassen

If they can sting they can't be Lasius. Some possible candidates are:

Ponera coarctata or maybe the invasive Brachyponera chinensis... although, I have not seen those reported in Europe.

Are you certain it was a sting and NOT a bite? There are very few ants that sting in the Netherlands.

faassen,
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@futurebird
Oh could well be a bite sorry. It just stings when they do so, but I don't think they use their hind part. It's not extremely painful and passes quickly. Is formic acid involved in an ant bite?

futurebird,
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@faassen

It can be. Ants that can't sting will bite then apply acid to make it hurt more.

Try looking at this page with a location filter ('filter by place,' on the upper-right corner) and see if you can recognize them. I find it's the fastest way to identify ants:

https://www.inaturalist.org/taxa/47336-Formicidae/browse_photos

kmmich,
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@futurebird ooh, how considerate of you... I love it! What plants are you growing? What aphids are you going for?

futurebird,
@futurebird@sauropods.win avatar

@kmmich

Peas and lettuce.

Hopefully the ants can keep the aphids from killing them. Ants will move their herds to keep them from overgrazing a single leaf... and they sometimes eat a few of the heard.

The aphids do not even seem to notice and are very docile as they are carried around and fussed over by the frantic ants.

faassen,
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@futurebird

@kmmich

Is there a special way you obtain the aphids? I had them on my indoor seedlings once and hated it.

futurebird,
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@faassen @kmmich

I was just going to collect them from the park. So many of them tend to be basically double-pregnant* nearly all of the time so you only need one or two to get a boom...

*double pregnant is when you are pregnant with babies who are also already pregnant... aphids are the apex fertility masters of the animal kingdom. It's crazy.

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