sarajw,
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I like the web monetisation proposal being brought forward by @ppk:

  • Beloved sites get sold and dropped or "eaten by AI", and the reason is money.
  • For those willing, a trickling micro payment stream could send a few cents every few seconds from a reader's wallet to that of a website owner.
  • The readers would control their max rate and max outlay per month, for example.
  • The readers could block certain sites/domains from receiving money.
  • There are still lots of open questions!

michelle,
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@sarajw @ppk I’m sure I’m missing lots of context due to not being at the conf, but the idea of accidentally leaving a browser tab open while money trickles out of my wallet terrifies me 😅 I assume there’s a plan to handle that kind of situation?

ppk,
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@michelle @sarajw The visibilitychange event is our friend.

However, that event only fires if every single pixel of the page is covered or otherwise invisible.

So the use case where the tab is not entirely hidden is a lot more difficult. In the end it's likely going to be a timeout: if the user hasn't interacted for X time the monetization stream is stopped.

michelle,
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@ppk @sarajw Ah ok, that makes sense, thanks! Intrigued to find out more about it

ppk,
@ppk@front-end.social avatar

@michelle @sarajw Once the system actually works I won't stop talking about it and you'll eventually have to mute me.

sarajw,
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alvaromontoro,
@alvaromontoro@front-end.social avatar

@sarajw web monetization like the API or something new? This sounds a lot like how Brave browser works.

sarajw,
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@alvaromontoro yes it reminded me of the Brave approach too - though I'm far too suspicious of brave and has anyone ever got a payout from it?

viraptor,
@viraptor@cyberplace.social avatar

@sarajw @alvaromontoro yes I'm a brave token... decilionaire? One month I even got an astonishing $0.60 from them 😀 (to be fair, my site has minimal traffic normally)

sarajw,
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@viraptor @alvaromontoro ok fair! Good to know :)

alvaromontoro,
@alvaromontoro@front-end.social avatar

@sarajw @viraptor I joined Brave early as a creator. I used to get $1-2 a month through donations. Now I can consider myself lucky if I get $0.50 a month (if you want money, their ads system works well, although it used to pay a lot more, maybe it's overcrowded now?).

As for web monetization, I used to get $0.50-1 a month, but it has been basically dead for over a year. I'd need to track the last time someone donated anything.

janl,
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@sarajw this hasn’t worked the last ten times we tried ;D

sarajw,
@sarajw@front-end.social avatar

@janl I know - worth another try maybe 😅

ioana,
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@sarajw @janl

Any lessons you can share? Or any feedback that might help building it still?

sarajw,
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ioana,
@ioana@hachyderm.io avatar

@sarajw Oh I know. I am part of the team implementing it.

I was curious if Jan has any points that we might want to be sure to be covered etc. ( I do not want to make the same mistakes if possible)

sarajw,
@sarajw@front-end.social avatar

@ioana oh!! Hahah so sorry. Thank you for doing this work ❤️

sarajw,
@sarajw@front-end.social avatar

@ioana while I'm thinking of it - one of the questions @ppk surfaced was instant payments vs. contributions being collected and processed monthly.

The monthly one would allow for review to see where your money is going, and maybe change your settings for the next month - or cancelling a month's payments because money is tight for some reason, etc.

What would also be cool would be an inert mode where you could test without committing to pay for a month or other period to see who would get what.

janl,
@janl@narrativ.es avatar

@ioana @sarajw fundamentally, how will this be different from flatter that also didn’t work out long-term?

lukem,
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@sarajw @ppk I'd love to watch the vod if available.

I'm pretty sure I read about a very similar approach in some book many years ago, but I can't recall whose book it was any more. Not that the book would add anything to the conversation, it's just my brain refusing to stop noticing and examining patterns in the world 😄

sarajw,
@sarajw@front-end.social avatar

@lukem it was a side lunchtime talk so I'm not sure they're being recorded 🤔

There's also https://webmonetization.org to look at in the meantime

ioana,
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@sarajw @lukem

hey - an older version of this talk can be seen here - things changed a bit in the meanwhile but it still has the same concept
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vS5PDqxNgk

Let me know if u have any questions.

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