Patricia,
@Patricia@vivaldi.net avatar

Alright folks, these tech process authors are confidently saying how we should organize to make stuff. But what do you think? What is the best tech org and why?

Patricia,
@Patricia@vivaldi.net avatar

I guess you all should write the books, because I agree, this is a nuanced thing and there is probably a whole slew of ways that would work for a lot of people, products, markets and cultures, and probably a whole lot that would be not great but doable and from experience: a bunch were folks manage to ship mostly in spite of whatever process they have been forced to work under.

Di4na,
@Di4na@hachyderm.io avatar

@Patricia my answer is "the one that provide you the fastest feedback in the constraints your environment gives you".

Sadly the problem is deeper. The whole SDLC idea has no basis in reality. The whole model need to burn. I got a "models we organise by" talk i need to sit down to offer to srecon on that.

Patricia,
@Patricia@vivaldi.net avatar

@Di4na whenever someone says SDLC to me I just assume they don’t know anything about how stuff is actually built

Di4na,
@Di4na@hachyderm.io avatar

@Patricia I mean I do not disagree and yet. We still have traces of it everywhere in the field.

Look at the "infamous" devops infinity symbol.

Or the whole "bugs cost less to fix the earlier they are found. Design fix cost less than prod". This one is a really persistent leprechaun.

Or the whole TDD thing. Or... I could keep going

Patricia,
@Patricia@vivaldi.net avatar

@Di4na I think a lot of those things can actually be useful mental models, but there is a huge chasm between a mental model and a Plan with a capital P. Take the stuff that rings true for the current circumstances, try them out, only continue the stuff that proves useful. I think we as humans have a need to believe we can control everything. And so we make bigger and bigger diagrams thinking they are actually meaningful and useful and most of the time they are neither and too often they are mostly making things worse than they need to be.

Di4na,
@Di4na@hachyderm.io avatar

@Patricia I mean yeah. Totally.

But also, we have pretty good science support to show that these models are really far from reality.

Patricia,
@Patricia@vivaldi.net avatar

@Di4na “All models are wrong, some are useful.”?

Di4na,
@Di4na@hachyderm.io avatar

@Patricia Totally, but that also mean that we may want to accept when some model that were useful are not anymore :D

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