@JohanEmpa A pitch for Meta federation from your user:
I would like mastodon.green to federate with Meta. As far as I know, them being a part of the fediverse does not pose a threat as long as they don’t control the ActivityPub protocol
They can already scrape our posts from the public internet, so nothing will change in that regard
I see them joining as a welcome step from the private sector in embracing open protocols. Hopefully the public sector will join too, leaving the private platforms
@gimulnautti It's rumoured that Meta will wait three months before turning on federation. If that's correct we have some time to debate the 'federate or not' topic.
The poll I did is leaning towards 'not' and there are ongoing polls by admins on other instances.
You seem to not be on the server we are talking about.
I appreciate your comment from the sidelines though, and having lived a tech geek through the 1980’s, 1990’s and 2000’s I am well aware of Microsoft’s strategies of that era.
However, look what happened with open source? Microsoft lost and became a contributor. Google, Amazon and other giants beat it because they embraced community.
Open source rules. And it ended up changing even Microsoft.
@gimulnautti
Yeah your server is irrelevant to me, but not what you're saying in public that might convince other people of this.
Oh yeah? Who controls the web? Google, yeah. That's what will happen to this. And I don't know what you think you mean by "won" - that only works if you ignore all the things that Microsoft crushed.
@gimulnautti You seem to be out of the loop. Google controls all web standards now thanks to their positions on councils and the complete dominance of WebKit.
The same is true for e-mail thanks to GMail. It's impossible to run a small e-mail server now and federation with e-mail has been completely dead for about a decade now.
I think you are ignoring everything Microsoft crushed when you say that we "won." We did not win, we lost tons of shit and one particular aspect (out of many) won.
@apodoxus The crux of your position still seems to be that we are unable to learn from our past mistakes.
So let me ask you how do see the future of the fediverse then? Without the major technological players onboard, the general public will go where ”everyone else is”. And that will be one of their closed services, either by choice or by defederation. The more they are defederated, the less others they have to take into account.
@gimulnautti Who are "we"? The capitalists that profited massively from doing that? What have they learned? Why would they change their behavior after enriching themselves the first time? The need to grow has not changed so even if the individual people did learn anything from last time, there's absolutely nothing they could do about it anyway (other than collapse their companies.)
The future is obviously servers run by the people for the people rather than for profit companies... as it is now.
@apodoxus A lot of the games we play in life and in technology are real. There are winners and losers. And a lot of great stuff is lost. But the game is real, and this time it’s called ”where can I reach everyone?”.
We know this game has horrible sides to it. You seem to want to change the rules, just like me, so it’s a better and more fair game for everyone. Less Win-lose, try to avoid the lose-lose, and increase the win-win.
@apodoxus A lot of the games we play in life and in technology are real. There are winners and losers. And a lot of great stuff is lost.
But the game is real, and this time it’s called ”where can I reach everyone?”.
We know that game has horrible sides to it. You seem to want to change the rules, just like me, so it’s a better and more fair game for everyone. Less Win-lose, try to avoid the lose-lose, and increase the win-win.
@gimulnautti@apodoxus It's rumoured that Meta will wait three months before turning on federation. If that's correct we have some time to debate the 'federate or not' topic.
The poll I did is leaning towards 'not' and there are ongoing polls by admins on other instances.
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