lemillionsocks,
@lemillionsocks@beehaw.org avatar

That’s the point Tesla… next time dont lie about your range.

agegamon,

Honestly the range isn’t even an issue. Yes they did something wrong, but IMO in terms of misleading customers it’s not at the top of the list long list. They have all this horseshit about “full self driving” that they stick all over their website with pretty animations and graphics.

Then you actually read into it and the fine text says “oh by the way, it’s technically just a slightly suicidal/homicidal level 2 ADAS that nobody has signed off on, and that Tesla can yank it out from under you at any time, and thst WILL be conveniently forgotten about and valued at $0 if you decide to trade in your car with tesla, but it’s cool brosky just do it for the likes”

lemillionsocks,
@lemillionsocks@beehaw.org avatar

A lot of the venture capitalist driven industry has been fueled by an ask for forgiveness not permission move fast and break thing philosophy tesla included. It’s about time the law start catching up with them instead of caving to their will because its a TOTALLY NEW idea because an app is involved.

david,

Exactly. Unfortunately “move fast and break things” has some disadvantages when it comes to driving in traffic.

Jaysyn, (edited )
Jaysyn avatar

Good. Fuck that chowder-head .

b0rlax,

If the truth about your business hurts your business, you don’t have a good business.

UnspecificGravity,

Are you seriously suggesting that a company (tesla) that does 50 billion in sales is NOT worth three times the value a company that does 250 billion (toyota)?

The Tesla valuation is such a fucking joke. They are a “bigger” company that Toyota, Honda, or Ford despite not even doing a fraction of their outright sales, and likely making less on every single one of those sales. Their only advantage is that they were making electric cars before it made economic sense to make them. Now that everyone else is jumping in they are going to die on the vine because people can get a real EV that costs half of a Tesla and actually works.

Tesla DID have a chance of leveraging their early market presence by either introducing a higher quality or cheaper vehicle that could compete with their new competitors. Their existing presence could have captured enough of the market to stand against them if they had a product that was in the same league. Instead they made the fucking Cybertruck.

b0rlax,

Right, so it’s a bad company, like I said.

UnspecificGravity,

You were today years old when you first encountered sarcasm on the internet, apparently.

abhibeckert,

Wait, what? Your comment doesn’t read like sarcasm at all.

b0rlax,

What’s a sarcasm?

java,

Socially acceptable way to be toxic.

tchauhan,
@tchauhan@mastodon.mit.edu avatar

@Five Most Si valley businesses are built on exaggerated claims. You don't work your way to wealth. You lie and pillage your way to it.

towerful,

I guess this is approaching the “find out” phase.
VW/Audi group fucked around with emission tests, and they found out.

Anticorp,

Yes, they found out that there’s no real drawback to falsifying statements.

Stillhart,

They found out what? Their business wasn’t affected at all as far as I can tell. They should have been broken up and shut down but instead they got caught doing the same thing AGAIN.

So yeah, not sure what Tesla is going to find out other than “money means you can get away with anything”, which Musk already knows well.

And just to be clear, I own a Tesla. I just got it back from the shop after ELEVEN MONTHS because those fucking tools would rather sell more cars on false promises than divert some parts to repair the cars they’ve already sold. I love that car but I’m selling it. Nobody should go anywhere near Tesla cars until they get their supply chain shit together.

Turun,

A lot of businesses get away with shit, but the emissions scandal did lead to some big fines and criminal investigations into the upper most management level.

Maeve,

Fines always and already rolled into projected cost of business expenses.

Anticorp,

Did they loan you another car during that time, or were you stuck paying on a car you couldn’t use for 11 months? I’d consider suing if it was the latter.

Stillhart,

It was absolutely the latter. And I absolutely would sue if I didn’t have serious health issues (hello, cancer!) to deal with instead. It takes a lot of time and effort to deal with something like that, and that’s just not in the cards right now.

Anticorp,

I’m sorry about your condition. Beat the shit out of it!

Maeve,

Damn. Best of luck is about as useful as thoughts and prayers. I’m sending it anyway because it’s all I’ve got.

sim642,

So it has the intended effect.

intensely_human,

Man you guys love this “gloves are off” stuff don’t you?

zzzzz,

What do you mean?

cupcakezealot,
@cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

then maybe you shouldn’t have lied to your customers about your cars

intensely_human,

If it were an established fact that they lied it’d be over

qyron,

This sounds a lot like a threat.

NotSpez,

Elon = moron*c^2

TheTimeKnife,

Well yeah buddy, that’s why you used fraud to increase profits.

ulkesh,
@ulkesh@beehaw.org avatar

Yes, that’s how consequences work.

Maeve,

Only for prime under a certain income threshold.

intensely_human,

So the purpose of a federal investigation is to ensure the thing being investigated is shut down by the investigation?

ulkesh,
@ulkesh@beehaw.org avatar

If the offense is found to violate federal law, there should indeed be consequences. Hence the investigation part — to determine the extent.

That’s how enforcing law works.

shiveyarbles,

Yeah that’s how it works, you fucked around and something something

01189998819991197253,
@01189998819991197253@infosec.pub avatar

IE “we lied, but don’t tell nobody!”

f800gecko,
@f800gecko@mastodon.online avatar

@Five

Ha, ha.

Penguinflight,
@Penguinflight@mastodon.online avatar

@Five Didums.

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