So, basically, if you tolerate the intolerant, the intolerant will eventually wipe out tolerance.
A more accurate way to say it is, “if you tolerate the intolerant BEING intolerant, intolerance will eventually wipe out tolerance.”
It does not say you should be intolerant of the intolerant while they’re minding their own business. I just think a bar owner is free to kick people out for representing Nazis purely because it’s their bar and they can do what they want.
But X’s problem is a bit different from the Nazi Bar problem, in that you don’t really see the Neo Nazis on X sitting there minding their own business. You ONLY see them voicing their intolerance. Which of course, should not be tolerated.
A more accurate way to say it is, “if you tolerate the intolerant BEING intolerant, intolerance will eventually wipe out tolerance.”
If the intolerant could mind their own business and tolerate people they didn’t agree with, they literally wouldn’t be part of the intolerant. That’s the point: it’s a core part of who they are and we have to cut it out like a cancer to have a tolerant society. (Sorry for making you read the T-word so many times.)
It does not say you should be intolerant of the intolerant while they’re minding their own business
it is a fallacy that the intolerant mind their own business. being intolerant is, itself, an active state, not a passive one, and one to be actively resisted. being intolerant involves choice, a choice to be intolerant. there is no “minding one’s own business” in being intolerant, as being intolerant necessarily involves minding the business of others and then making the choice to react to it.
so your argument is, itself, spurious for it is fallacious in its foundation.
That was so fast, you make me rub my temples in pain, my guy.
So, people are people, they aren’t their ideals. People have more than one state of mind, they aren’t 2D cardboard cutouts (or drawings of red skull). Life would be easier if they were, I agree, but the world is more complex than that.
People are born into environments they have no control over. People are handed ideals before they know what they are. People learn from their environment. People change their minds about things. You literally wouldn’t bother commenting right now if you didn’t agree with me.
If a person is sitting peacefully, let them. If a person is taking any action to impede any other person’s ability to sit peacefully, then stop them. But don’t attack a person who is sitting peacefully, because they’ll probably want to attack you, or someone else, back.
Now call me a nazi again, and we can agree to disagree. Jfc.
Nazi’s whole ideology is that they see themselves better than everyone else and they are willing to kill the “lesser beings” in order to make the world “pure”.
It is literally the genocide ideology.
There are no good Nazi’s, because if a Nazi was good, they wouldn’t be a Nazi.
That was so fast, you make me rub my temples in pain, my guy.
Good
People are born into environments they have no control over
Nobody is born a Nazi. That is a choice someone makes. And it’s a choice that has consequences.
If a person is sitting peacefully
Being a Nazi isn’t “peaceful.” There is no “peaceful” state of being a Nazi. Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain of the United Kingdom taught the world that 1936 when he tried to leave Nazi Germany sitting peacefully alone.
The difference between us is, I want Nazis to renounce their Nazi-ism. You don’t.
you’ve made another mistake: assuming you can read my mind. you can’t, of course. and, in making that assumption, not only were you wrong, you came to the wrong conclusion-- it’d be thrilled if Nazis renounced their beliefs.
However, in the meantime, neither they nor their beliefs should be tolerated, and you haven’t made any argument that compels me to believe otherwise.
and attacking me personally rather than my argument is a pretty weak ad hominem fallacy, as i’ve demonstrated. so is using the straw man argument about “changing their beliefs” rather than what we were discussing: tolerating them.
I don’t believe you’ll always be this way. I believe you can change
i suggest you stick with the facts rather than beliefs and logical fallacies. they make for a better argument.
You have a bar: Nazi comes into your bar, you let him stay, because why not its just a single nazi. Nazi invites friends, those friends invite their friends, and so on. Now you a have nazi bar.
Yeah people keep posting these articles and celebrating as if it’s not still a very relevant social media platform. I am concerned it will take so long to “die” that there might actually be time for a revival.
Twitter was always a very strange place, i know that before musk it has been a super left woke bouble (woke in this case meaning intersectional world view)
Most people he unbanned didn’t actually come back either. Its just dieing all together.
I thought that for a bit, but more and more I think it’s just extreme incompetence. Remember, he wanted X to be a thing for a long time, it’s telling that he wanted it to succeed in that he renamed Twitter to X.
All you have to do is to tolerate that you can’t just call everyone nazi because they once had dinner with someone that might be a “nazi”
If you sat down and broke bread with someone who argued for killing all the Jews and Queers and you didn't punch them in the mouth for even thinking that what the fuck do you think that would make you?
You are abetting an act of violence to allow people to try to organize a genocide, and any stage of that organization.
He drove me back into using RSS after more than a decade for staying up to date. Much better for the mental health. Thankfully, since Wordpress and also some other CMS have the RSS feature enabled by default, many websites have it even if they’re not advertising it.
WordPress powers over 40% of the web, so that’s a very large number of sites/blogs that have RSS. WordPress has feeds per category/tag too, so you can subscribe just to a subset of posts. For example, I’m subscribed to TheFlightDeal.com but just for flights from San Francisco (www.theflightdeal.com/category/…/feed/).
I put a question up yesterday on Reddit and got no engagement with it in like 12 hours. Maybe no one that knows anything is answering questions now. I guess we will see.
No I did not. Financial forum her is kind of dead. Not sure what other tax related forums there are on lemmy. My question was about some specific issues related to getting an incorrect 1095-C. I think I have decided on a cousre of action now but was looking for others thought too.
When the “large” voices leave in significant numbers - in the UK it is used wildly by public sector and charity organisations, there are official governmental Twitter accounts, all the broadcasters have accounts.
Really wish I could convince local government entities to switch to Mastodon - my local police said it was “subject to O.P.R.A.” and needed to meet retention rules (if you rolled your own…), and the state wildfire commission said they were looking at Threads :/
So instead, both are still stuck on the platform that requires a login to see posts and filled with nazis.
I think Threads federation may actually help with. I’m trying to persuade a health body at the moment to switch from Twitter and to roll their own Mastodon instance, based on the fact that what they really want is the widget on the website, control of their data and the ability to reach people.
Twitter has already screwed the widget with the login/authentication requirements. If
Threads actually allows its users to see Mastodon posts, that’s a big old reachable audience.
At this point Musk has platformed all of the undesirables of the internet. He’s a big, blinking, neon sign that says “there are no adults in the room, do whatever you want.”
That could be a service to the rest of us. It would be nice if, now that they’re all concentrated there, the internet could quietly agree to shadowban the entire site. Just disappear it from search results, conversation, “zeitgeist.” Let all of the toxic users keep each other busy while the rest of us enjoy a cleaner internet.
I only follow specific youtubers and artists. If stray away from my specific feed, Twitter is too scary lol. I am at a loss for good social media though. It seems like most social media sites have just gotten worse over the past decade.
I guess there’s pros an cons to it all. Pro: less time wasted on social media Con: I’ve missed out on some information that is sometimes good to know.
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