GaryCooper, (edited )

I think it will never going to happen.
They are not alone in the market, and they are certainly not monopolists.
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HowMany,

I’m still fuzzy on this - how can they be sued for having a monopoly ON THEIR PRODUCT?

geemili,

This headline is wrong. The DOJ is alleging that they are being anticompetitive in the Performance Smartphone market, and further that their anticompetitive behavior affects even the regular smartphone market.

redeyejedi,

It’s a step in the right direction. But I don’t see anything of substance coming from this. The U.S. has become a Corporate Oligarchy. Apple has enough money and desire to fight this through appeals and lobbying. Pay attention to who they lobby and make sure they are voted out of office. It’s going to take a long time to correct what has happened over the last 20 or so years. It will require slow gradual change.

MxM111,
MxM111 avatar

Not gonna happen. There is enough competition on the market for Apple to prove that they are not a monopoly. Most of the smartphones sold in US are not iPhones. It is like accusing BMW, that they sell their cars only with their part and their software.

ki77erb,

Most of the smartphones sold in US are not iPhones.

This is just a demonstrably false statement that’s very easily fact checked. I’m not saying that to defend Apple. I’m a Google Pixel guy myself.

MxM111,
MxM111 avatar

I stand corrected, while android dominates the world, in US iPhone share is indeed just above the half (55%). It is still not enough to call it monopoly, but it might have chance.

geemili,

The document published by the DOJ make the point that Apple has closer to 65% market share of you to by revenue, and also have a high market share amoung the teens. But I don’t get this focus on whether or not Apple is a monopoly. The lawsuit alleges that Apple has a significant market share is using anticompetitive practices to stay there.

sugar_in_your_tea,

Huh, looks like iOS overtook Android sometime last year…

theshatterstone54,

If you read the article, the lawsuit is more about vendor lock-in rather than lack of competition.

MxM111,
MxM111 avatar

For one to use anti monopoly law, being monopoly is kind of important. If you are trying to lock in vendor while NOT being a (near) monopoly - it is not illegal per that law. There might be other regulations, that makes it illegal though, I am not a layer to know this fully. I am just conveying somebody else’s analysis who is a lawyer.

CaptObvious,

As a former Apple fanboy and current iPhone user, even I think it’s about time that the US joined the rest of the world in reining in abusive tech monopolies. (Financial and commercial monopolies, too, but that’s a different post.)

My breaking point came when I tried to buy an Apple Watch a couple of years ago. It couldn’t even be activated without a Mac or an iPhone that was less than a year old. That’s when I gave up.

chris,

What? I use a three gen old iPhone and the Apple Watch I bought this year works just fine.

CaptObvious,

Then something has changed.

fuckwit_mcbumcrumble,

Nothing has really changed unless you just didn’t run the latest software on your phone. The series 8 was the first watch in a long time that needed a newer phone. But they’ve always required the latest iOS.

support.apple.com/en-us/118490

CaptObvious,

Friend, all I can tell you is my experience. I’m glad yours was different.

some_guy,

They need to be reigned in, but this isn’t gonna do it. The DOJ is arguing stupid shit and shit that isn’t accurate. What we need is regulation, not shitty attempts at weak lawsuits. DOJ even refers to Apple’s plan to allow alternative stores in Europe as though that was won through a lawsuit. No, dummies. It was legislation.

CaptObvious,

I don’t disagree that legislation might be preferable, although even that would still have to be filtered through the courts for interpretation. But we all know that getting this — indeed any — legislation out of Washington isn’t possible. So suits based on existing law is the next best thing.

RedWeasel,

We need to be more proactive in our regulations than just wait for a company to violate antitrust law. Capitalism isn’t good without strong regulations.

Vendetta9076,
@Vendetta9076@sh.itjust.works avatar

Hell at this point I’d just be happy with laws that don’t enforce monopolies.

authed,

Never used an IPhone… don’t miss it

acastcandream,

I’ve also never owned a New York penthouse, but I imagine I would enjoy it if I did lol

No, I am not comparing the iPhone to a penthouse in New York. The point is just that not knowing what something is like doesn’t mean we can’t factor in or want it/know it’ll be better.

authed,

Fair point, but I never had a Mac or IPhone on principle. Because I don’t like Apple’s strict policies. I’ve owned a PC since the early 90s.

acastcandream,

Totally valid but also an entirely different discussion!

Brkdncr,

This is the most statement I’ve heard all morning.

authed,

Maybe they meant an IPhone monopoly in the IPhone world.

onlinepersona,

The government even has the right to ask for a breakup of the Silicon Valley icon.

Into what? I’d be interested in that. Really depends on the granularity of the break up. If it’s just iPhone company + mac company + smartwatch company + chip company + … , then it’ll still have the iPhone as it’s core money maker. Breaking it up into a payment processor, app store, and other stuff to make the iPhone a more open device, maybe that’d help.

In any case, about time the US actually steps into the ring.

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Eldritch,

Separating software and hardware would be a good start. Though that may be a big ask as that’s been Apple’s schtick from the start. But seeing as it’s a big part of Apple’s anticompetitive practices, not outrageous.

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