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3SiameseCats, in Resource Collection Thread (Share Links, Discords, Hotlines, etc.)

Add Erin’s map of states that’s bans. Really useful for travel

Josephine, in its time to bring back this space to life, since some trans subs on Reddit are gonna shutdown.

Im so glad trans Subs and moving here, been here on lemmy for 4-5 days before finding this Sublemy

ActuallyASeal, (edited ) in Trans women have no advantage in elite sport, new report finds
@ActuallyASeal@lemmy.world avatar

I think this article is overstating the report's findings. From the executive summary of the report:

The research findings in the biomedical area are inconclusive. Studies which make conclusions on pre- and post-hormone replacement therapy (HRT) advantage held by trans women athletes have used either cis men or sedentary trans women as proxies for elite trans women athletes. These group references are not only inappropriate for the context but produce conclusions that cannot be applied to elite trans women athletes. Further, there is little scientific understanding about the attributes or properties of HRT, namely testosterone suppression and estrogen supplementation, on the physiology and athletic ability of trans women athletes. This ignores the potential for estrogen supplementation to reduce Lean Body Mass (LBM), and for testosterone suppression to produce holistic health disadvantages.

Which in my reading basically says all the current data is invalid for elite level athletes and shouldn't be used for policy making. That's not quite as powerful as the conclusion as saying there are no differences.

I hate to say more research is needed since it's an argument made by people who just want to exclude trans athletes until it can be definitely proven there are no advantages, but I don't feel like I can't come to a conclusion from this.

My gut feeling is that there is probably a very complex relationship between an individual historic hormones and their performance in any given sport. And that performance is probably very dependent on the sport in question as well, e.g. any potential difference between trans women and cis women will present differently in long distance running vs weight lifting.

ActuallyASeal,
@ActuallyASeal@lemmy.world avatar

To expand on this. I think saying there are no differences between trans women and cis women in sports is a losing argument. Transphobes will just point any of the obvious differences in existing studies and try to make you attempt to prove the negative of no differences existing.

A better argument might be that in most cases any difference are irrelevant.

Such as sports where the womens categories exist to promote them as a marginalized group not for differences between cis men and cis women. Womens chess and W Series racing being two examples. Trans women are a marginalized group in a marginalized group they obviously should be included.

Sports where the importance of any difference isn't enough to support the argument of separating out trans women. I view this as any sport without any monetary or prestige standing on a national or international stage. Basically any sport that isn't a collegiate or elite level. Any difference just doesn't matter enough for middle or high school, recreation or any petry league. Just let them play.

The last group of high level competition is a bit harder to crack because this is where data just doesn't exist. If in the short term we have to split women's sports into a cis, trans and combined categories or put an astrix next to trans athletes so be it. Long term I think something akin to weight classes everyone will be categorized into should be created. These will probably be very sport specific and we need to gather data. The only way to do that is to let trans athletes compete.

14specks, in Questions about being an ally.
@14specks@lemmy.ml avatar

I'm not trans, so defer to others as appropriate

The question of "the children" will come up:

  • It would be good to understand the recommended treatment program that is implemented for trans youth (hint: it's not surgery).
  • What is definitive is that care for trans youth saves the lives and well being of the people who have access to it. You can easily find creators on Youtube or TikTok who will talk about their experience firsthand, whether they received treatment when they were young, or wished that they did.
  • On the "permanence/regret/detransition" angle that people are concerned about: there's a stat that someone else can probably post, but the rate of "regret" of gender confirming care is significantly lower than many common cosmetic procedures. Detransitioners are a small minority, and transphobic detransitioners who are outspoken about being "tricked" or something are even smaller still.
  • Other likely thing is bathroom stuff, but like most transphobia it gets nonsensical fast since the only way for that to work is for someone to think "I can always tell" which is always false false false.
ActuallyASeal,
@ActuallyASeal@lemmy.world avatar

Detransitioning stats can be a bit hard to get because of how easy it is to do depending on how far you have transitioned. For example for me, I'm pre-HRT so if I was to detransitioning it would involve cutting my hair, stop shaving my body hair, changing clothes and changing my name back. I, or anyone else in a similar situation, would never be caught in a survey looking at detransitioning.

And, surprise transphobes, not everything is supper permanent. Most things are pretty easily reversible. Even after HRT a lot of the changes are reversible. They just take more effort. The only things I'm aware of that are not very reversible are surgeries. Whichs why someone is usually pretty far along in transition before the medical community allows you to get one.

As for the actual numbers:

On average, 97% of people who are transgender are happy with their decision to transition. Only ~3% of trans people experience some form of regret, but may not detransition.

The main reason cited for detransition is social pressure. Recent research by Dr Jack Turban has found that around 90 per cent of people who return to their birth gender in the US don’t do so because of regret or dissatisfaction, but because of pressure from family, school, work, or society in general.

hoyland,

Adding on to this, you can find stats about high rates of "desistence" among children and youth with GID(C) diagnoses (I'm not sure what that become in DSM-V when GID became "Gender Dysphoria"). However, these stats need to be understood in the context of what the criteria for GID(C) are--they're incredibly broad. Any mildly gender-non-conforming child can fit the criteria if their parents dislike their gender non-conformity (there's a quasi-conspiracy theory that it was a backdoor to "treating" "pre-homosexual" kids after the removal of homosexuality from the DSM). It's no shock that most of these kids don't grow up to be trans--they mostly weren't making a statement about their gender identity in the first place!

ActuallyASeal,
@ActuallyASeal@lemmy.world avatar

So a bit off topic but I found it interesting. I was looking for what GID stood for, gender identity disorder, and ran into an article discussing the DSM-V debat in changing the diagnosis.

I loved this little quote:

[Daryl Hill] insisted, GID is not a mental disorder at all. More than anything else, the criteria described reflect “the distress often experienced by parents” who have become “preoccupied with the negative aspects” of their son’s or daughter’s behavior as the child struggles to make sense of gender-related feelings

ada, in Questions about being an ally.
@ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

So honestly, you won't convince anyone by arguing with them. In the face of transphobic family, what you're best doing is simply showing that your support is strong and unflinching.

"I don't want to argue about this with you. I value trans folk and stand with them. I'm not going to debate their rights with you."

rubythulhu, in Questions about being an ally.

Here you go. Best trans resource on the internet. 2 years into being trans and 6 months into hormones, i found this site and learned a lot more about myself.

https://www.genderdysphoria.fyi

xangria, in Request for trans / queer / feminist non-youtube channels

I've honestly had pretty decent luck with TikTok. My fyp is almost exclusively neurodivergent creators, dogs, trans/nonbinary folks, and very leftist stand-up.

TaygetaDuck,

I recently / reluctantly created a tiktok account to follow trans / lgbtq creators and news stories.

But I know that their algorithm is also not perfect and some people have said that it sends them right leaning content, because “outrage” = “engagement” and “engagement” = “$$$”

I stay away from the “for you” page and just manually seek out the content I want to see.

CARC0SA, in research citation links to counter transphobic misinformation go here
3SiameseCats, (edited ) in Bombshell Louisiana Report Led To Republican Senator Rejecting Youth Trans Ban

Love to see people accepting they were wrong and doing the right thing.

3SiameseCats, in Florida Agencies Manipulated Research To Ban Trans Care And Coverage

This should be illegal. Like it boggles my mind they can get away with this.

3SiameseCats, in Oklahoma Bill Would Effectively End Adult Trans Care, Moves To Senate Floor

This is insanity. I hate anti science people. They are dumb as fuck and use sky daddy book by delusional person to justify their deep hatred of differences.

alex, in Request for trans / queer / feminist non-youtube channels

[This post is marked as in French. If you don't want to see French content, I'd recommend you go to your settings and choose the languages you want to see. It's a cool feature!]

Quelques contenus Peertube queer:

alex, in Request for trans / queer / feminist non-youtube channels

Nebula is a good alternative to YouTube for established channel, and has no weird algorithm and evil people. If you can afford the subscription (3$/month, 30/year) I highly recommend it.

Now, on Peertube, unfortunately I don't know any English queer channels, but I'll look around and report back here if I do - and will check the comments here :) (I'll also post a separate comment for French channels with the language set as French so that it doesn't flood the comments for people who have disabled French content in their settings)

juergen,

thank you for the recommendation of nebula! this looks interesting. As far as i understand the site, the 3$ / month subscription is per channel kind of? and 5$ / month is everything, when you don't support a particular channel/creator.

So, does that mean, if i pay for the 3$, i can only watch this creator?

alex,

I'm not sure sorry. I pay 30/year and have access to everything on the website.

juergen,

thanks! this answers my question. :)

AgreeableLandscape, in New Study Confirms Extremely Low Regret Rates for Gender-Affirming Surgery
@AgreeableLandscape@lemmy.ml avatar

Yeah, it’s almost like the procedure involves checking if you really want to do it or not before you do it! Personally I think the trans community does a great job of helping both trans and non trans people find their identity.

yo_carny_bob_eye,

Couldn’t agree more.

OsrsNeedsF2P, in Trans women have no advantage over cisgender female athletes, report finds • GCN | Ghostarchive

Details from the report conclusion:

More specifically, current evidence suggests any biological advantages trans women have in sport performance do not fall outside the range observed among cis women after testosterone suppression. Red blood cell count is well within cis women’s range after four months of testosterone suppression. Strength is a possible exception, a topic on which research is limited/non-existent. Available related research seems to suggest strength decreases over time after suppression, demonstrated through significant decreases in strength (LBM, CSA) after 12 months of suppression and ongoing decreases after the arbitrary one-year mark.

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