Estonia ‘seriously’ discussing sending troops to ‘rear’ jobs in Ukraine, official says

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The national security advisor to the Estonian president is the latest NATO nation official to weigh into the debate over the wisdom of foreign forces in Ukraine, while a senior British officer said it’s still “not a path that the [UK] Prime Minister wants to go down”.

The government of Estonia is “seriously” discussing the possibility of sending troops into western Ukraine to take over non-direct combat, “rear” roles from Ukrainian forces in order to free them up to fight on the front, though no decision is imminent, Tallinn’s national security advisor to the president told Breaking Defense.

Madis Roll said the executive branch is currently undertaking an analysis of the potential move, and though he said Estonia would prefer to make any such move as part of a full NATO mission — “to show broader combined strength and determination” — he didn’t rule out Estonia acting in a smaller coalition.

“Discussions are ongoing,” he said on May 10 at the presidential palace here. “We should be looking at all the possibilities. We shouldn’t have our minds restricted as to what we can do.” He also emphasized that it’s “not unthinkable” that NATO nations opposed to such a move would change their minds “as time goes on.”

Following publication of this report, Madis clarified that such a decision is not pending before the Estonian prime minister or her cabinet specifically, and he meant only that the discussion “is not dead” and is “ongoing in Estonia in general.” “We have not excluded any option in the future,” he said.

Estonian Defense Minister Hanno Pevkur on May 14 told the European news outlet ERR such talks haven’t “gone anywhere” in Tallin.

“There is nothing new here. When France came up with the idea of considering whether Europe and the allies could do more, it has been floated in various discussions, but it has not gone anywhere, because at the moment there is no clear understanding among the allies of what it adds,” Pevkur said. “There is certainly no initiative by Estonia and certainly Estonia alone is not going to do anything.”

Roll’s boss, Estonian President Alar Karis, holds a position with many ceremonial duties relative to the nation’s prime minister, Kaja Kallas, but he is ultimately Estonia’s commander-in-chief and is a key figure in foreign policy.

Roll’s comments came after the head of Estonia’s defense forces, Gen. Martin Herem, told Breaking Defense earlier last week there had been discussions in the military months ago about sending troops to western Ukraine to take on jobs like medical services, logistics or air defense for some western cities, but the air had gone out of those talks after the idea became a public lightning rod.

Herem and Pevkur were referring to the outcry that followed French President Emmanuel Macron’s declaration that Western nations must be open to discussing sending their troops in to aid Ukraine. (Kallas, the Estonian PM, in March appeared to defend Macron’s statement, noting that he wasn’t talking specifically about sending ground troops into combat. “In the exact same way, I can assure you that our soldiers will not go there to fight,” she said.)

Also earlier last week a key Estonian lawmaker, Foreign Affairs Committee Chair Marko Mihkelson, told Breaking Defense that European nations “have to start thinking about a coalition of the willing” to more directly help Kyiv, potentially with direct combat forces. (The Estonian officials spoke last week to an audience from the Kaplan Public Service Foundation; Breaking Defense accepted accommodation in Estonia from KPSF.)

The willingness of different nations to send some forces into Ukraine is a potential dividing line inside NATO. Although each member of the alliance is free to send forces where it feels it must for its national interests, some nations have been clear they see more risk than reward in doing so.

Notably, Germany and the US have flatly rejected the idea of sending in troops. The US Ambassador to Estonia, George Kent, pointed Breaking Defense to the Biden administration’s policy of aiding Ukraine through significant aid packages, but a firm commitment not to send in American soldiers.

Asked May 9 in Washington how Russia could react to NATO-nation forces being in Ukraine, British Chief of Defense Adm. Sir Tony Radakin was evasive, saying, “I won’t go into too much commentary on your question, if you don’t mind … The UK position is very clear in terms of, that’s not a path that the Prime Minister wants to go down.

However, he emphasized that the UK position is not “being governed by how Russia will react.” Instead, he said, it is based around what the UK views as the best approach overall: “I think that what you’ve seen all the way through, is a UK that has done the right thing, based on its judgment of what’s needed to be done.”

In contrast, there is Macron’s statement, as well as Lithuanian prime minister Ingrida Simonytė who recently told the Financial Times she was open to sending Lithuanian troops into Ukraine to train Kyiv’s forces there. The FT wrote that Simonytė predicted Russia could see the move as an escalation, but added, “If we just thought about the Russian response, then we could not send anything. Every second week you hear that somebody will be nuked.”

Beaver,
@Beaver@lemmy.ca avatar

Please do! Ukraine deserves more support!

SupraMario,

Estonia, the balls NATO needs. Call putins bluff.

Buffalox,

This is a pretty gutsy move by Estonia if they do that. Estonia is a small country with most of its border towards Russia. They have little chance to defend themselves if Russia is stupid enough to decide to invade.

Obviously being a NATO member is the best protection there is for Estonia, but does chapter 5 still work, if Estonia sends personel officially to Ukraine to participate in the defense of Ukraine, even if it isn’t on the front?

I hope we will see this happen soon, I am pretty sure that if Estonia does it, other countries will follow. That’s the way it’s been with everything else. If one country takes the lead others follow.

jumjummy,

Well if Ukraine falls to Russia, Estonia and some of the other Baltic states will be next.

comador,
@comador@lemmy.world avatar

The NATO treaty’s key provision is Article 5, which began: “The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all…” While this commitment to collective defense lay at the heart of NATO, it was left to the judgment of each member state to decide how exactly it would contribute.

So, yes, it does apply to all members. Those who agree it to be an attack are fully within the rights of the article to abide. It is also agreeable that those who do not agree it to be an attack on said ally not act. It’s entirely subjective that way.

HINT: Hungary, Slovakia and Turkey most definitely would not.

edit:

"Allies can provide any form of assistance they deem necessary to respond to a situation. "

It’s subjective.

source:

www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/110496.htm#:~:text=Wit….

Burstar,
@Burstar@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

2 Things:

Firstly, Article 5 does not apply to OP’s question until Estonia the nation gets attacked. Support troops sent to Ukraine that came under attack could not be used to trigger that article. This is the risk they take.

Second, you misunderstand the wording of Article 5 during an hypothetical attack on a member nation directly. It is not subjective. “An attack on one IS an attack on all”. ALL nations would act as if they are under attack. It is their individual responses that are where any possible ‘subjectiveness’ kicks in meaning each nation would send what it CAN, not everything and the kitchen sink without regard for its own security. That is what that means. This idea that a member nation required to behave like it is under attack would do nothing is… misguided.

rayyy,

Seems that the trickle of trainers and advisors is turning into a flood. British troops could deploy to Ukraine to train soldiers, France is debating on sending troops and NATO in general is preparing to send “advisors” and troops to “train” Ukrainian soldiers. This is escalating fast. Actual active participation in combat may be near.

gravitas_deficiency,

I see a way around this problem.

Just use Putin’s “little green men” approach, because turnabout is fair play.

Except we can actually give them everything a NATO QRF + full IADS + air support and superiority air wing has, except slap a Ukrainian roundel on everything. We’ve done it before; we can do it again.

rayyy,

We are closing in on NATO protecting Ukraine by shooting down Putin’s missiles and UAVs.

gravitas_deficiency,

Wish we’d just fucking do it already to be honest.

Eatspancakes84,

Think of the moral boost if US/UK/France send some elite troops who can be on the ground to select targets for the new F16s.

gravitas_deficiency,

Hell - think of the combat effectiveness of a NATO SOCOM team running combat control for a few squadrons of “Flying Cossacks” (seconded “ex-USAF” volunteers) in strike eagles backed by a squadron or two of Vipers running SEAD - and maybe a few F-35s thrown in for battlespace control, and a handful of F-22s in deep reserve in case Russia decides they want to lose a few Su-57s.

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