It’s totally okay to label Hamas as terrorists if they act like terrorists. But that doesn’t make all Palestinians terrorists. And it’s obviously not okay to order an entire ethnic population to just go somewhere else or to attack civilians.
What on Earth would lead you to think Hamas cares about Gaza residents? The whole point of Hamas's attacks was to provoke this sort of Israeli reaction. The innocent Palestinians who are going to die in this attack are no more than disposable pawns and human shields to Hamas.
Yes. Israel is defending themselves against Hamas terrorists, they don’t fight for fun. “It is true we have won all our wars, but we have paid for them. We don’t want victories anymore.” - Golda Meir.
That is sadly what I fear, too. They had the Gaza strip locked down in all sorts of ways before and they will not award the Palestinians any breathing room...
I mean, it is REAL fucked but those patients are already dead for all intents and purposes.
Gaza is under siege with supplies cut off. I personally think that is horrifically barbaric but i also understand that Hamas will have first dibs on any resources (similar to the issue with Afghanistan). That is not going to change so…
But also, even if power and water weren’t cut off? Hamas has made it abundantly clear they will use human shields, Palestinian or Israeli, to protect themselves. And the IDF has made it clear they will bomb Hamas anyway at this point.
So it is only a matter of time until those patients, who won’t be released, die in the crossfire.
Which is the true nature of guerilla warfare. You either ignore your targets any time they touch home base. Or you murder a bunch of civilians, make martyrs, and ensure that two more soldiers will take up arms for every one you kill.
Both of which will lead to more attacks and more “Why was nothing done to prevent this” accusations and even more “We aren’t saying you should kill those civilians. But you should definitely kill those terrorists and we are going to look the other way while we wring our hands” to perpetuate the cycle.
You know though. I can see this but there is also the bombing. I feel like both of these at the same time is a rock and hard place. If they just did the cutoff at least civilians might be able to refugee someplace.
Again, if there is a known safe haven, guerilla fighters will use it. This has come up with every major terrorist group. If they spent all their time in giant compounds out in the field, those fields would be craters.
That isn’t to say the IDF haven’t used this as excuses to attack aid organizations and journalists in the past. But there is also a lot of truth to the idea that you might have reporters on the tenth floor and a terrorist meeting on the fifth.
But also? Just the cutoff will kill those patients. You need power for medical equipment. You need running water (or power) to wash your hands. And you need medical supplies. I THINK aid organizations have found ways to get the last part in, but it is still bleak.
I am not sure whether more or fewer civilians will die in the evacuation over the war itself. I am hoping fewer but… But those patients aren’t going to be released and already are more or less dead unless the siege is lifted.
Not the person you’re responding to but the second one. They will push into the north, then likely keep going. The writing is on the wall, they will eradicate Hamas and while doing so all of Gaza because Hamas hides amongst civilians. They know Hamas may go south as well while telling everyone else to remain where they are. It may even be part of their plan. They will commit atrocity in the name of peace, and Hamas will revel in it and commit more of their own atrocities as well.
Not many other ways to make 1.1 million people really angry, on top of all else. Not everyone there is a terrorist, but they all have to pay the price for the actions of those whose are.
What’s Hamas mad about? Have they been the subject of unjust oppression or something? As if perhaps the collective world is saying “Well of fucking course this would happen, look at what they are forced to experience”? Are there political options to end the genocidal policies that are reasonable for the continued existence of both people? Are people forced to choose leaders that present the only solution available for the option of a life not under constant oppression like a WWII Warsaw ghetto?
Nah, that can’t be it, they must just hate the Jews or something.
If I lived in Gaza now, I probably would have started to think Hamas were right all along.
And the only reason I’m not, is because I was lucky in my birth lottery. I am here not there. I am safe, and not there in danger for my life.
It’s literally just luck.
Not everybody is so lucky.
I wish cooperation was a lot more typical in the world, instead of the egoistic and power hungry normal that it is. Doing whatever one can do to get an upper hand, instead of just trying to make the world a better place. In the long run, we all would benefit.
Oh there’ll be a much larger number of terrorists after this.
What would you do if your family was killed by a government claiming you’re inhuman just for existing and your neighbour deciding to launch a rocket at that government out of sheer frustration for their living conditions.
The Gaza strip has over 2 million people, half of which are under 18. That is a “fact you will need to understand” before you go around defending the atrocities Israel is and will commit.
Israel is defending itself from future attacks like Saturday. It doesn’t matter what your feelings are about this the fact is Palestine is a terrorist military base, and Israel is about to liberate it.
Palestine is defending itself from future attacks like the last several decades. It doesn’t matter what your feelings are about this the fact is Israel is a terrorist military base, and Palestine is about to liberate it.
You offer no truths except hollow words that echoed around your empty brain.
You know nothing about the truth of the situation, only what your propaganda has lied to you about, and you’re top stupid, ignorant, or paid to spread disinformation to consider another point of view.
It’s like talking to a twelve year old that simply repeats the things that shut them down and hurt their feelings before. No depth, no context, no intelligence, just an empty sad parrot destined to a hopeless future of hate in their life. Hopefully they can start to think for themselves at some point.
Any other stupidities that don’t make any sense in context? Do you only know buzz words spouted at you through propaganda instead of actually understanding reasons for things and being willing to be wrong to learn new things? I don’t care about you, but I care about the hateful message you spread landing on ears that don’t know any better.
The Jewish people are a wonderful people with a rich and valued culture and history. This does not apply to the leadership of Israel or their treatment of their neighbours, regardless of whatever “whataboutisms” you want to preach.
God will not look kindly upon those that support this from either side. He is weeping because his children want each other to die.
Let me try to put this in a different perspective. First: Gaza has an average age of about 19 years old, and a bit more than half of the population is under 18. Second: there was a Reuters report and video yesterday about how the cemeteries are full so people are burying their loved ones in donated vacant lots with cinder blocks and bits of rubble as gravestones.
To emphasize and clarify the point: half the population is children and they’ve run out of space for more graves.
I never said anything about defending Hamas. If there was a way to extract them and offer them up to the Hague without endangering innocent civilians, I’d be all for it. But we should put Netanyahu and his cabinet on trial as well. There can be more than one monster at a time
Then shut the fuck up, get off the Internet, and keep this problem in your own fucking backyard instead of spreading your victim complex and hatred across the globe.
Unrelated, but I love these posts. They help me block users I really don’t want to interact with, not now or in the future.
Guys, just block an move one, it’s better for your mental health. Let them speak to dead air, you can’t argue with these people.
People I’m blocking: racists, mysogynists, transphobes, homophobes, any kind of ‘phobe’ actually that has to do with people’s own body or sex, ‘grab them by the pussy’ guys, …
Thank god our government isn’t as stupid as some of the people in this thread. Too much propaganda out there for folks to consume and become brain washed. Thank fucking god the US military is supporting the innocents.
A much higher number of justifications for that government to crack down even further. First you demonize the enemy, then you strike against them, and when they inevitably defend themselves, you have a justification to kill the people trying to kill yours. That playbook is millenia old and still works.
Honestly can’t blame them if they did. Obviously killing Israeli civilians is indefensible but they are ensuring that thousands more will grow up hating all Israelis. The same logic Israelis and Israel supporters are using to kill innocent Palestinians is what Hamas runs off of. Each group blaming the entire “other” group for everything. Exactly like netanyahu wanted all along I imagine.
I’d genuinely be shocked if they didn’t try to annex the majority of the land if not all of it. Cornering a mass of people isn’t a wise decision but they will use the inevitable violence as an excuse for all out ethnic cleansing
There's no way they're not gonna do that, they're already annexing territories where people reside. People will move to the side that's not getting bombed and when it's all done, 2 million people will be living in half the small area they had at best.
And if they don’t, its very likely they’ll just make it unlivable so the people can’t feasibly return The current Israeli government would be quite happy with Gaza City just being empty. That would solve a lot of long term problems with only short term consequences. A final solution to the Palestinian problem, if you would.
Turns out the Israelíes liked 1930s German policy, just not who it was directed against. They’re using the same playbook as the former oppressors of their people to inflict the generational pain onto others.
Interesting to see them justify how much God supports their hatred.
Actually, after Saturday, all Israelis will grow up with more confidence that Hamas’ military base (Palestine) is there to plan the murder of Israel. So no, you are wrong because you forgot that fact
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