JerkyIsSuperior,

"Mercenaries and auxiliaries are useless and dangerous; and if one holds his state based on these arms, he will stand neither firm nor safe."

Niccolo Machiavelli - The Prince

zeppo,
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"Windows are dangerous. Also, radioactive umbrellas" - zeppo, a Lemmy Member

Pons_Aelius,

A merc is loyal, until the last payment clears.

Antik,
@Antik@lemmy.ml avatar

Or until Riddick is chasing them.

downpunxx,

The Wagnerites also seized the buildings of the head office of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the FSB department, the administration of and one of the police departments, according to local channels. Nobody in the city understands what's going on.

https://press.coop/@nexta_tv/110596856860216270

andobando,

How lovely

Ghostalmedia,
@Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world avatar

Like watching Cobra attack the Decepticons.

mookulator,

Can you explain the significance of these buildings?

Are they the head offices of those departments, or the offices that are in that city?

How powerful are these departments?

Pons_Aelius,

Rostov is the admin centre of Rostov Oblast (state capital city). I would assume the main offices are in Moscow and these are the regional headquarters.

So while it is big if they have taken them it is not as big as if they had done so in Moscow.

BananaTrifleViolin,

The city is apparently the base for the Russian southern military district command which is key to the war efforts in Ukraine - according to the Institute for the Study of War via the Guardian

deafboy,
@deafboy@lemmy.world avatar

Nobody knew what was going on in 1968 czechoslovakia as well, when the russians came with the tanks. I don't really wish them any harm, but I'm glad they can experience the same confusion now. May this experience serve as a warning.

Pili,

I doubt the people in Rostov are the ones who were in Czechoslovakia in 1968.

dustojnikhummer,

Actually Russians didn't come here. Soviets did, but not from Russia.

tym,

Supposedly they've already agreed to retreat to Belarus? Shortest coup ever, or a dog n pony show.

boilingpenguin,

If there's one thing I've learned from my history classes it's that power vacuums (or even perceived power vacuums) and the ensuing instability always end well for everyone involved....

/s

andrei_chiffa,

Generally, I don't like to gloat, but I did call that one ~ June 5th over on Reddit (https://www.reddit.com/r/france/comments/140qkwu/destructions_incursions_%C3%A9vacuations_dans_la/jmyndp3/?context=3; in French because it was on r/France).

It actually is much worse than it seems - I did a write up over on Mastodon to explain why and how (https://mastodon.social/@andrei_chiffa/110599724720727202). The TLDR is that cities taken by Wagner mercs will be hard to retake without leveling, all internal protection troops are either tied or were lost in Ukraine, and mercs themselves have nothing to loose and all the revenge to take.

YuYuHunter,

Tu avais raison.

It's very strange how things are going right now. The fact that they are quite effortlessly moving hundreds of kilometers through Russian territory is quite telling.

green_dragon,

People are tired of this war. Putin wanted to secure food reserves and have an open access sea port for his military; however he wasn't honest as to his reasons why; understandably so. Given this the Russian public doesn't see the actual geopolitical value of the conflict. This was inevitable. If Russia couldn't play nice with the rest of the world as their money mostly comes from oil and gas; which we are moving away from. Let them pay for their crimes.

MiddleWeigh,
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This could definitely be a powder keg moment in some way.

dangblingus,

25,000 troops marching on Moscow. How many does the Kremlin have not already in Ukraine?

Thepinyaroma,

How many do they have not in Ukraine... Who are also willing to kill fellow Russians? If the average Russian military sentiment is, "Eh, let them through" this could be huge.

Plus a lot of the "Royal Guard" may be well-connected rich kids who are even less inclined to fight.

Way too soon to know for sure, but. 🍿

dustojnikhummer,

Yep, it depends if Russian military is loyal to Putin or not.

easeKItMAn,
@easeKItMAn@lemmy.world avatar

Breaking
„Ukraine runs out of popcorn“

https://twitter.com/war__online/status/1672535209038827521?s=20

HamSwagwich,

We need to start sending popcorn bags to Ukraine

afraid_of_zombies2,

Send Putin thoughts and prayers and send Ukraine guns and bombs.

Yoz,

Can someone please explain what's going on ? I am out of the loop. I know Wagner was fighting for Russia but what happened now?

afraid_of_zombies2,

Supposedly it is over. Wagner announced that they are no longer advancing.

UniquesNotUseful,

The head of Wagner was unhappy with Russian military leaders and thought he'd take matters into his own hands as Putin was going to support him. Putin did not. Now there are 10,000 men heading to Moscow.

Yoz,

Thanks

certain_people,

Everyone in Wagner was about to be conscripted into the regular Russian Army as the latest in an ongoing power struggle between Wagner's boss and the Russian MoD. So to avoid losing his private army, the boss has stepped up the power struggle to an attempted coup, basically.

dustojnikhummer,

The coup will be crushed, but it will weaken the Russian military even more and they lose their (now former) elite forces

onionbaggage,

My money isn't on the Russian Army being able to "crush" anything tougher than a chicken egg at this point.

dustojnikhummer,

Well, according to newest updates the coup attempt is sadly over

decenthuman,

I know next to nothing about whats going on but crushed appears harsh. They're marching through to Moscow unfettered.

dustojnikhummer,

Sadly, it's over

FabulousCable3945,

woah, so a win-win for us

HamSwagwich,

Who's going to crush them? The Russian military? They are going to join them.

dustojnikhummer,

Well, according to newest updates apparently not.

averagedrunk,

I don’t know why you’re getting downvoted. apnews.com/…/russia-ukraine-wagner-prigozhin-9acb…

He’s headed to Belarus, per the AP.

i_simp_4_tedcruz,

I would like to submit "Putin panics and nukes his own people to stop the advance" for my Bingo card.

Thepinyaroma,

Launching a nuke would have to be the dumbest thing Putin could do. A huge chunk of NATO must already be salivating at the internal chaos.

I bet Polish social media is on fire right now.

Clbull,

More like shitting themselves.

Think of all the dirty bombs that could end up on the black market in the event of a Russian collapse.

jcit878,

the latest resolution from NATO didnt say Russia cant nuke itself...

SuddenDownpour,

Any nuke west of the Urals is likely to provoke radiation that reaches NATO, and nukes east of the Urals would be, uh, insignificant most likely.

Clbull,

If true, this is a major setback for Putin.

I don't think this little rebellion has a chance to overthrow Putin. Maybe if all of Wagner rebelled?

YuYuHunter,

little rebellion

They already control a city with one million inhabitants, with one of the five military headquarters of the Russian military. I wouldn't call this a "small rebellion" yet.

Clbull,

They're a 50000-person-strong PMC. No way can they take on the full might of the Russian military unless you see huge swathes of the military join their rebellion.

decenthuman,

That's what they said about Ukraine.

wwaxwork,

At this point I'd not be surprised. I don't expect it, but it wouldn't shock me.

jcit878,

in the movie Crimson Tide, the issue was the radical (cant remember his name) was sweeping to power as he won the 'hearts and minds' of the russian miliary. Now thats fiction set in post cold war russia, but I can definitely see the similarities. I wouldnt be surprised if Wagner are joined by brigades sent to 'stop' them

grumpyrico,

true ... but the full might of the russian military is currently a bit stressed by another "special" task

cedarmesa, (edited )
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💀

pete,

Which they will promptly forget about as soon as they get their way and then in 20 years everyone will wonder where the war lords came from.

onionbaggage,

That's just tradition.

YuYuHunter,

If they would merely keep Rostov, a city with one million citizens, this would already be an enormous problem for Russia. But the Wagner group is going all-out, and I strongly doubt whether they'll be able to oust the Russian government.

Ippei,
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Somewhat unexpected (at least for me). I don't expect much from this, but it may be the start of more general dissatisfaction in Russia.

Nerrad,
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I for one welcome their new Military overlords.

Magister,
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Oh some good old /. vibe here 😉

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