Speckle,
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The source of this report, Russian state media, is very very suspect. They also very recently tried to paint Ukraine as a country that needed freeing from Nazi influence to justify waging war.

Unless I see this shared and verified by some other news outlets I'm going to think this is just propoganda.

These other baltic states have been supporting Ukraine and offering safe haven to dissidents from Russia and Belarus. This report just looks like a Russian smear campaign to me right now. What do other people think?

kjr,
kjr avatar

@Speckle on the other side, what they report is quite consistent with the archival materials in Yad Vashem and USHMM.

Speckle,
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That's interesting! I've just gone to check out Yad Vashem and there's a lot of information there. Do you have any specific links to hand about this I could check out?

I'm guessing it's probably hard to get accurate records of this type of thing as they tend to get destroyed, if it's even recorded in the first place.

kjr,
kjr avatar

@Speckle I will check what I can find in English. All what I have is in Hebrew, but I will try to come back to you as soon as possible.

Speckle,
@Speckle@lemmy.world avatar

Thank you, would be interesting to see and I'll dig into those places you suggested as well 😊

kjr,
kjr avatar

@Speckle
Hey, unfortunately to send messages between different servers is not yet possible, but OK, here a few links

  • Documentation blog of the EHRI Project (European Holocaust Research Infrastructure). Here you can find lots of articles. Focus of the blog is publication of research and work in different areas: historiography, archival science, digital humanities and holocaust, etc.
    https://blog.ehri-project.eu/

  • The Righteous Among the Nations - Featured Stories: the opposite to the main article of the thread, here are stories of non-Jewish people and families who saved Jews during the Holocaust. It is one of the public presences of one of the main projects at the Yad Vashem.
    https://www.yadvashem.org/righteous/stories.html

Speckle,
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Thanks for the links, I'll do some reading!

CohenTheBlue,

If stories from my immediate family and relations are to believed, that's not the case. People ran from soviets because they were stealing everything and killing anyone they didn't like, including jews. Germans mostly weren't involved at all, except military control wise.

I guess there's always assholes everywhere, some working to advance nazi goals. Some betraying everyone for survival. Some working for soviets because they were too stupid to see they'll eventually lose everything to Stalin, despite the propaganda ("to the people"). "Brother fought brother" as the saying goes. Overall, the idea was to exploit the side less harmful to get rid of the more harmful side, 3rd Reich was ironically the less harmful in this picture. Soviets were just all around inhumane all the time.

DreamerOfImprobableDreams,
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Two things can be true at once: the Baltic states did have a depressingly high rate of Nazi collaboration during WWII, which lead to some of the highest percentage of their Jewish populations being slaughtered in all of occupied Europe; AND Russia isn't releasing this report now because they actually care about historical accuracy or honoring the victims, they're cynically using them to further their pro-war propaganda.

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