FriendBesto,

Well, they do tend to catch fire or explode.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOA7qKMcjcE

Or just left to rot in order to sound as if they are being used en masse. But do not believe me, believe your eyes.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SEfwoqKRU8

toastal,

Will the solution be public transportation infrastructure so cars aren’t needed?

FreakinSteve,

EVs are a security threat, but meddling in foreign wars and aiding genocide isn’t.

ExfilBravo,

Biden Calls Chinese Electric Vehicles a Threat to American Shareholders. FTFY.

turkishdelight,

This pure projection. America spies through everything they sell. So they assume that everyone else is doing the same.

TheAnonymouseJoker,
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Bullshit States of Amerigoo finding ways to relabel racist protectionist agendas…

forgotmylastusername,

We’re in the middle of a technological cold war.

Pika, (edited )

Ah yes, because electric vehicles collect so much more data than your standard vehicles, they essentially are the same thing just different engine. Ever look at the data OnStar collects even apperently without an account? Ever look at the privacy policy the infotainment system has you agree to once or twice a month? it’s scary.

how about just pass legislation that a foreign country cannot collect data on a vehicle in the US if we are that scared of it

FonsNihilo,

It’s not about data privacy.

It’s literally about the CPP gathering info on Americans.

cnet.com/…/us-finds-huawei-has-backdoor-access-to…

This is one of Huawei’s largest scandals. Maybe their cars shouldn’t be trusted either.

naturalgasbad,

The backdoors were inserted for law enforcement use into carrier equipment like base stations, antennas and switching gear, the Journal said, with US officials reportedly alleging they were designed to be accessible by Huawei.

There’s a basic principle here that I think the US doesn’t understand: there is no such thing as a backdoor only for one group. Any equipment with backdoors is inherently insecure. The US dug their own grave and they’re blaming Huawei for selling the shovels.

PanArab,
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Let the US lock itself from the world, that should work.

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    You actually believe this? Two words: Belt and Road.

    Soon you’ll find out that the West is not the world and it is the one isolating itself.

    Finalsolo963,

    Belt and road is failing and being abandoned as the Chinese economy contracts. They failed to get over the middle income trap and are on the way back down.

    PanArab,
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    You are thinking of the infrastructure in your country.

    davel, (edited )
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    What cope-based media are you getting this from?

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    davel,
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    Your imperial core chauvanism is showing. It is the Global North which is isolating itself.

    China is deeply integrated with the Global South, which is the majority of the the world’s people, industrial capacity, and natural resources.

    The Statesman: The West versus the Rest

    Geopolitical Economy Report: ‘Western dominance has ended’, EU foreign-policy chief admits, warning of ‘West against the Rest’ geopolitics

    https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/6f380f3d-9133-4d74-a346-3e10d499dbf8.jpeg

    Dyf_Tfh, (edited )

    Please do not use this map projection. It is unambiguously trash. It distord shapes way to much. There are much better equal area projections, like Eckert IV or mollweide

    []!(…wikimedia.org/…/800px-Ecker_IV_projection_SW.jpg)

    Roopappy,

    It seems like the “cars tracking you” problem is a very real and very serious thing that should obviously be legislated separately of electric vehicles or country of manufacture.

    I got a Mazda recently, and I was reading all the ownership paperwork, and the guy asked me what I was looking for. I said “I’m looking for the language about what data Mazda is collecting about me.” And the guy laughed and said there’s nothing in the paperwork about that. They just do it. You can’t shut it off.

    Patches, (edited )

    Question: Who is paying for all these 5G Cell connections that ‘every car has’? How is my data getting from my car in my garage to (Brand name)?

    I sure as shit am not giving my car my wifi password.

    Is my Android phoning home? How does it know who to phone home to?

    HobbitFoot,

    Car manufacturers are. They probably get a bulk discount on relatively cheap data plans. It was enough for GM to keep OnStar running until Verizon got rid of supporting all 2G and 3G service in the USA.

    Patches,

    Do we know how long they are paying for that connection?

    I can’t imagine that’s cheap. Is a 2016 car internet connected without my notice? How do you confirm?

    HobbitFoot,

    No, but the Wikipedia article seems to indicate that OnStar has the ability to store GPS and phone contact information even if you aren’t subscribed.

    Also, I can’t imagine that buying several millions of data connections would be that expensive, especially if all that those connections are doing are sending out a ping of reports once a month.

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OnStar

    VirtualOdour,

    Amazon did a thing where if your wifi is down Alexa can connect to a neighbors Alexa which will relay the message to the server.

    I imagine a car could do the same much easier, you pull up to the lights next to a car from the same manufacturer and it relays all your telemetrics.

    It’s time for an open source car.

    BurningRiver,

    So now I’m wondering what happens with new (or connected used) cars sold in California. Does CCPA have any teeth here?

    the_third,

    In my Opel that’s a single USB connection to the data modem. Unfortunately, with that you’d also lose automatic emergency call.

    FreakinSteve,

    Opel?? Opel still exists??

    geneva_convenience,

    EV’s are bad for the American OPEC monopoly

    spamspeicher,

    American OPEC monopoly

    What the hell does that even mean? The USA aren’t even part of the OPEC^1^, how are they supposed to be in the “OPEC monopoly”? Or do you mean Venezuela with America? And why monopoly? OPEC/ OPEC+ are only responsible for 30-40%^2^ of crude production, that is a weird monopoly.

    ^1^ https://www.opec.org/opec_web/en/about_us/25.htm

    The Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC) was founded in Baghdad, Iraq, with the signing of an agreement in September 1960 by five countries namely Islamic Republic of Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia and Venezuela. They were to become the Founder Members of the Organization.

    These countries were later joined by Qatar (1961), Indonesia (1962), Libya (1962), the United Arab Emirates (1967), Algeria (1969), Nigeria (1971), Ecuador (1973), Gabon (1975), Angola (2007), Equatorial Guinea (2017) and Congo (2018).

    ^2^ https://www.bbc.com/news/business-61188579

    …Together, Opec+ countries produce about 40% of all the world’s crude oil.

    geneva_convenience, (edited )

    America controls Saudi, Kuwait, Iraq and Venezuela. Only Iran falls outside and if they start doing naughty things they are going to get invaded.

    America is the largest oil producer in the entire world

    en.wikipedia.org/…/List_of_countries_by_oil_produ…

    Country Oil production September 2023 (bbl/day)

    United States 12,900,000[8]

    Russia 9,480,000[9]

    Saudi Arabia (OPEC) 9,060,000[9]

    Canada 4,778,973[10]

    spamspeicher, (edited )

    America is the largest oil producer in the entire world

    So, still no monopoly. Even IF we counted OPEC as “American OPEC monopoly” they together would only account for 50-60% of crude oil production. Far away from a monopoly, maybe you should read up on the term monopoly.

    America controls …

    And even then, OPEC most of the time acts against US interests. Crazy how big the “control” and influence the US has over these countries and OPEC then. They have so much control that even Russia is part of OPEC+ since 2016. AMERICA STRONK!

    0xD,

    Ah, yes. America with its magic wand controlling everything and everyone! Just yesterday evening Biden made me snort three lines of coke.

    geneva_convenience, (edited )

    Yes they kill governments that try to nationalize their oil which could drive down prices. Gadaffi in Libya is a great recent example.

    callouscomic,

    “We need to reduce carbon emissions!”

    “No not like that!”

    Haha. It’s just silly. I know nothing about the actual story.

    assassinatedbyCIA,

    Obviously the whole security threat thing is just BS to justify restricting trade. You’re really not allowed to restrict trade under wto rules unless it’s a national security concern. It makes sense that the US would want to protect its industry but, it’s really infuriating that the US, the country that thrust neoliberalism free trade policies down developing countries throats, sometimes by force, now wants to do protectionism. Many developing economies growth was hampered and their economic ability to met their own needs to spiked into the ground by American coercion and sometimes violence. It further goes to show that the powerful countries really just do whatever the fuck they want often at the detriment of weaker nations.

    mihies,

    Huawei enters the chat

    hellequin67,

    They did the same to Huawei and lots followed. This has nothing to do with security and all to do with preventing China’s leap ahead of US as a global economic technology powerhouse

    bzarb8ni,

    Huawei, the company built on stolen western tech, Huawei?

    bamboo,

    It’s not Huawei’s fault that outdated IP restrictions in the west put western companies at a disadvantage and slow innovation.

    Godric,

    Hahahaha that’s quite the euphemism for stealing everything they could get their grubby capitalist hands on

    bamboo,

    Copying isn’t stealing, but nice try.

    Godric,

    When one group puts all the time, money, and effort into researching, discovering, and designing something, and another yoinks it for free, what do you call that?

    HobbitFoot,

    It does have something to do with security.

    For Huawei, the USA was concerned that China could build in backdoors to its communication technology similar to how the USA probably does with its local technology.

    For EV, it is becoming apparent that battery and microchip technology has the same wartime industry power that oil and steel has, so the USA doesn’t want to completely give up on those industries.

    hackerwacker, (edited )

    Everything has something to do with security if you’re paranoid/creative enough. It’s a useless thought.

    hellequin67,

    For Huawei , if that’s the case why did US not target all Chinese manufacturers and only the one that, at the time, was becoming the most technologically competitive one.

    As for EV the argument regarding takeover as a wartime industry whilst maybe true not it still smacks of US protectionist practice rather than a genuine security fear.

    ComradeChairmanKGB,
    @ComradeChairmanKGB@lemmygrad.ml avatar

    Industry competition: a threat

    Deteriorating mental condition of leadership: not a threat what was I talking about again?

    dumpsterlid, (edited )

    Yeah fair I am sure there is almost as much sketchy shit in Chinese electric cars as American ones, I just can’t find the fucks to care compared to the threat of ecological and agricultural collapse from climate change.

    Like seriously I know it’s more satisfying and intriguing to talk security, technology, software and geopolitics but really who gives a fuck. Literally none of this even remotely matters next to the existential emergency that is climate change.

    So sure, cheap Chinese electric cars lets go who cares honestly, we don’t have the damn time to focus on making this into a Cold War Tom Clancy novel before we run out of shit like clean water to drink.

    PowerCrazy,

    If you care about climate change, then you would be anti-car period. Biden is 100% correct here (but not for the reasons he thinks,) cars are a security threat.

    dumpsterlid,

    and if you were a true Scotsman you would be wearing a kilt and not those PANTS

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