Professors, students say ‘no’ to Florida as new law targets Chinese

  • The law requires colleges and universities to get approval before hiring or working with Chinese people who aren’t US citizens or green card holders
  • A legal challenge filed by two graduate students and a professor argues, among other things, that the state law usurps the power of the federal government

Last year, with an eye to curb Chinese influence in the state, Governor Ron DeSantis signed into law a bill requiring state colleges and universities to get government approval before they hire or work with Chinese people who aren’t US citizens or green card holders.

Since then, schools in the state have scrambled to comply. In December, Miami-based Florida International University paused the hiring of Chinese and citizens of six other “countries of concern” also targeted by the law – Iran, Cuba, North Korea, Russia, Syria and Venezuela – while waiting for the state university system’s board of governors to create a vetting process. ⠀

“Requiring the board of governors’ approval means it is next to impossible to obtain approval,” said Sumi Helal, a professor of computer and information science and engineering at the University of Florida.

Helal said he was “intent on leaving” the school. ⠀

Last year, DeSantis said his anti-Chinese influence efforts provided a “blueprint for other states to do the same”.

And according to political observers in the state, the governor may double down on his education policies. David McDonald, a political science professor at the University of Florida, said that “being an education ‘culture warrior’” was a “perceived strength of his when conservative activists helped push critical race theory and anti-trans rhetoric and policies onto the political agenda”. ⠀

“Our academic community thrives on international collaboration. SB 846 is a malicious and xenophobic bill that directly attacks our community,” said Eva Garcia Ferres, co-president of Graduate Assistants United at the University of Florida.

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umbrella,
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i bet florida will probably say ‘no’ back to students and professors, unless they do actual pressure.

highalectical,
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Do you want brain drain? Because this is how you get brain drain.

nickwitha_k,

Pretty sure that this is unconstitutional. States do not have the right to set foreign policy, which this clearly is.

Zink,

Good to see the party of small government at it again, not that they ever stopped.

TheAnonymouseJoker,
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I think it is time for China to leech off as much off USA and dispose and dissolve all relations with them, including a cutoff in academia spaces. This should provide a great blueprint for Indians, Koreans, Japanese, Singaporean and other Asian people to follow through, and utterly destroy and make USA a meaningless country.

Draedron,

I dislike the US a lot but China is obviously worse in every regard.

TheAnonymouseJoker,
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A very profound defense for Anglo empire…

PanArab, (edited )
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How so? I can’t see how China can top the US openly and unabashedly facilitating a genocide while attempting to gaslight the world about it. That’s before getting into what it did to Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria and other countries just in my lifetime.

Hack, I have never seen a Chinese politician brazenly look a reporter and tell him killing half a million children is worth it.

Zink,

Don’t they just take the genocide into their own hands though?

And I don’t mean that as a defense of the US.

brain_in_a_box,

No, they just don’t do genocide in the first place

flyingjake,

Have you heard of the Uighurs or Tibet?

brain_in_a_box,

Yes, I’ve heard of that ethnic group and that region of China. What is your point?

flyingjake,

Hard to say China doesn’t do genocide when you consider the Uighurs and Tibet. I mean maybe you can have an academic debate over ethnic cleansing and genocide vs forced assimilation and population replacement but their hands and very far from clean on that spectrum.

brain_in_a_box,

Hard to say China doesn’t do genocide when you consider the Uighurs and Tibet.

Why?

davel,
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Hard to say China doesn’t do genocide when you consider the Uighurs and Tibet.

Because of the Tibetan Freedom Concert and Adrian Zenz?

twitter.com/BenjaminNorton/…/1309518541163581443

The Tibetan Freedom Concert was run by groups funded by the US govt’s regime-change arm the NED (a CIA cutout created by Reagan)

So many musicians fell for this US govt op, including Beastie Boys, RHCP, Tribe Called Quest, No Doubt, Björk, Yoko Ono, even Rage Against the Machine

Uyghur copypasta:

The US’s “Uyghur genocide” (“cultural” or otherwise) disinformation campaign has already been debunked several times over.

We see here for example the evolution of public opinion in regards to China. In 2019, the ‘Uyghur genocide’ was broken by the media (Buzzfeed, of all outlets). In this story, we saw the machine I described up until now move in real time. Suddenly, newspapers, TV, websites were all flooded with stories about the ‘genocide’, all day, every day. People whom we’d never heard of before were brought in as experts — Adrian Zenz, to name just one; a man who does not even speak a word of Chinese.

Organizations were suddenly becoming very active and important. The World Uyghur Congress, a very serious-sounding NGO, is actually an NED Front operating out of Germany […]. From their official website, they declare themselves to be the sole legitimate representative of all Uyghurs — presumably not having asked Uyghurs in Xinjiang what they thought about that.

The WUC also has ties to the Grey Wolves, a fascist paramilitary group in Turkey, through the father of their founder, Isa Yusuf Alptekin.

Documents came out from NGOs to further legitimize the media reporting. This is how a report from the very professional-sounding China Human Rights Defenders (CHRD) came to exist. They claimed ‘up to 1.3 million’ Uyghurs were imprisoned in camps. What they didn’t say was how they got this number: they interviewed a total of 10 people from rural Xinjiang and asked them to estimate how many people might have been taken away. They then extrapolated the guesstimates they got and arrived at the 1.3 million figure.

Sanctions were enacted against China — Xinjiang cotton for example had trouble finding buyers after Western companies were pressured into boycotting it. Instead of helping fight against the purported genocide, this act actually made life more difficult for the people of Xinjiang who depend on this trade for their livelihood (as we all do depend on our skills to make a livelihood).

Any attempt China made to defend itself was met with more suspicion. They invited a UN delegation which was blocked by the US. The delegation eventually made it there, but three years later. The Arab League also visited Xinjiang and actually commended China on their policies — aimed at reducing terrorism through education and social integration, not through bombing like we tend to do in the West.

https://lemmygrad.ml/pictrs/image/11da4f3e-9f83-45e4-88db-826ee0c5b1c6.jpeg

firewood010,

US is bad, but China is even worse. I hope they both become weaker and split into smaller countries. Russia too.

TheAnonymouseJoker,
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No, China and Russia must become stronger and USA weaken. One of them has committed 100s of foreign interventions and dozens of genocides.

firewood010,

Hell no. China is the worst world governor you could have. Please live in China for two years before saying that out.

TheAnonymouseJoker,
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I will live in China over USA any day. More safety, no capitalist blood and wallet suckers.

firewood010,

Go now then.

TheAnonymouseJoker,
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Go now? I live in India. I have no wish to live in a 3rd world shithole with a Gucci belt called USA.

firewood010,

Go to China now.

TheAnonymouseJoker,
@TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml avatar

Stay in USA and die thanks to White House terrorists lol.

deadbeef79000,

Ah look, the new McCarthyism, in Florida at least.

Also, nice to see that Cuba needs another punch to the gut.

Think your neighbour might be a communist? Call 555-COMMIE now!

saltesc, (edited )

I work at a university.I won’t go into details, but ASIO (Australian national sec) recently gave us a special visit, advising the need to increase caution around new Chinese staff. and students (to put basically and lightly). Seems spying from within education institutions is popular at the moment, but makes sense considering the infrastructure, population of each institute, and the tens of thousands of student visas each year.

However, the meeting was with just a few need-to-know staff (CPO, COO, heads of students, and cybersec) and was basically, “This is happening more and more, so we just need extra vigilance if you can.” It was certainly no broadcast to the nation in full details with drastic measures attached.

asteriskeverything,

Ah, so that is the tiny nugget of reality they took and twisted for political gain.

Ridiculous to putting this into law, and speaks volumes to the real motives.

brain_in_a_box,

Ah, so that is the tiny nugget of reality

Nah, Australia is just even more paranoid at racist towards Chinese people that the USA is.

saltesc, (edited )

Yep. International students and academics have been exploited as a gateway—we have an education exxhange with China that makes it easy for both sides to go abroad with little restraint. But we’re not going to cut off thousands of students and employees because of one or two isolated incidents that may not even occur again now.

Florida’s reaction could be to this…

ASIO director tells Five Eyes intelligence summit that alleged Chinese spy was removed from Australia

From what I know there’s been a few other little things and as I said it’s increased, enough for them to come to the universities and advise us to just keep an eye out and report unusual stuff.

Florida, on the other hand… Fuckin’ drama queen state. We’ll take their Chinese students and academics! Much nicer here anyway.

intelshill,

Spying from within public educational institutions feels rather counterintuitive. Chinese students weren’t getting security clearance anyway, so the only goal of their research is to be published in publicly viewable journals or conferences. This is a witch hunt.

AbouBenAdhem, (edited )

So they’re using xenophobia to attack education, because xenophobia for its own sake isn’t evil enough.

NocturnalMorning,

Have we learned nothing from the past? Discrimination bcz of someone’s nationality never ends well for anybody.

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