I have never been a huge Reddit user but I am obviously fascinated by the potential migration to #Threadiverse alternatives. Tell me friends, what’s better!? #kbin or #lemmy and does it matter because they are interoperable?! 👍 🙌 #Fediverse
that's understandable, though I think the fear is unwarranted. lemmy users want to stay on lemmy. they don't want to come to kbin (even to troll). and I think the few that might end up here will just be drowned out by good faith kbinauts. I think it's already the case that we are getting a good image and reputation in the fediverse.
naturally open signups means that all types will come here. but as I said, that's kinda what makes kbin kbin. we're also federated with "problematic instances" like lemmygrad. if someone has an issue with kbin being open to everyone, then they will naturally block us no matter what we do.
beehaw is just that: I think they'll end up defederating from many instances, not just the two they did yesterday. because what they want is fundamentally opposite to the idea of federation.
lemmyworld and sh.itjust.works users are content with the beehaw block because in their eyes, beehaw sucks. why would they want to participate in those communities? lemmyworld isn't closing their signups just to try and get on beehaw's good side again; despite their current reputation in the fediverse.
I think the bigger issue for kbin isn't necessarily whether or not other instances "like us", but rather whether or not we as an instance can maintain the "kbin culture" of civil discourse, neutrality, helpfulness, etc. I think that spirit and culture is far more important than whether or not a few bad apples start getting other instances wanting to defederate.
ultimately, I'm not worried about it. kbin isn't exactly a large instance (we got the "literally who" treatment from beehaw lol). so I don't think one or two people will really be an issue even if there's a full "beehaw hater" who comes on here to troll them. because one user can simply be blocked by beehaw. defederation resulted because they felt there was too much coming from lemmyworld and sh.itjust.works. And that's not due to a few bad apples, but a culture clash as a whole.
Idk if you've interacted with those sh.itjust.works guys, but it's obvious to me why beehaw blocked them. Their culture is just completely at odds with beehaw. Whereas kbin culture I believe is not. If a large amount of "beehaw haters" start flooding kbin and changing the culture to be one of toxicity and vitriol, then I do think we'd start having a problem. Otherwise I don't see it as an issue.
The search form has been fixed (if you were experiencing this issue). This time, the Docker recreate may take a bit longer. Moving forward, when making changes, I will create pull requests like everyone else and ask for your review. Sorry for the inconvenience. Soon, the first tagged release will also be available. It's time to...
Try to login with the creds you set. I never received a follow up email and on a whim tried my creds and it worked.
That being said, I know they also are having problems approving all of the new applicants given the influx and manual process. Keep trying though! While I'm on Kbin as well, Beehaw is my preferred instance so far given the structure and moderation.
That Reddit will not shut down. It will take the hit and go on and probably make at least some money. Only, it will be a much different place, more like Facebook or Instagram, in that it will be full of ads and less specific information....
Strongly agree with both yours and OP's sentiments. There's little use dwelling on Reddit now, and we have something really special starting here on Lemmy / Kbin / the Fediverse.
It's been great to see various communities grow and adapt to the changes since this all took off.
#Lemmy now has 135,369 accounts. That is tracking with my expectations.
But while #Kbin had ~7,000 accounts yesterday, it’s just shot up to 30,930 accounts today.
While Lemmy is the 5th most used server software on the Fediverse, Kbin is now in 10th place and it’s growing at a faster rate than Lemmy.
A few days ago, I predicted that the #RedditMigration would result in 150,000-300,000 new accounts being created on the Fediverse. That expectation has already been met.
This #RedditMigration is fundamentally changing the course of the Fediverse. It’s moved the Fediverse from being primarily about microblogging to having more eclectic use cases.
While the #TwitterMigration validated that decentralized social media can appeal to millions of people, the #RedditMigration has validated that decentralized social media has man varied applications – both in the software and use case sense.
@avantgeared@atomicpoet even if the devs weren't fascists I'd still recommend kbin, it's just better written software - the original instance was running on the equivalent of a fat pi up until recently and it just looks a million times better.
But I can't make people not use nazi software. They have to learn the hard way.
@nf3xn@atomicpoet
Well said and thanks for the assessment of Kbin. That is really amazing and the best I have heard said about it. I will be sure to stay with it. I got an account at Beehaw because I want to see what that platform can do and compare it with Kbin to see what future upgrades of both could look like. I want to support the people at Beehaw because they are so conscientious and articulate as well as progressive and I like things progressive. That is the way it is with some environmentalists like me, commitment to ideology and principle comes first, tools later.
I like opera and grew up with it. I can get as much out of a 78rpm recording of an aria as a high res .flac digital audio file (and they are now beyond LP and CD in quality).
TL;DR both of them speak the same language so both can call each other up and trade info back and forth. You can upvote/comment/whatever on either and it'll appear on both sides without you having to do anything special.
It doesn't all go back to lemmy, but lemmy and kbin speak the same language (ActivityPub) and can talk to each other (they are federated). Others in this thread have compared it to email where you might be on different services (gmail, yahoo, icloud) but they can still all understand messages coming from each other. The fediverse is similar, but instead of just sending a message to another site to put in your inbox like email, lemmy/kbin/mastodon/etc can ask each other for stuff on an external site and display it to you as if it was all coming from the same site.
In our case kbin calls up lemmy.world and asks for what everybody there is saying on some post. Lemmy.world tells kbin about all the comments and upvotes so kbin can plug it into the same style of page you see for everything else here. Even though it's happening on a separate server and underlying platform, they still know how to exchange data
I dont get it either, Ive been browsing different instances(? and when I find some community I like I search it up in kbin (which Im trying to make my main account I guess) by copying that little bit that comes up that says "copy and paste in your node's search bar", If I cant join from kbin I make a new account and join from there.
Its whatever, Ill figure it out eventually.
For a sub that’s supposed to promote Reddit alternatives, there sure is a lot of pessimism on there. I see so many people dismissing Lemmy and kbin already for being too inaccessible, the UI is clunky, it’s hard to pick up etc and saying these sites will never take off. But why? Of course a platform in its infancy will have...
Just makes linking a magazine (on lemmy they are called communities) a pain because lemmy uses the !exclamation mark to refer to a magazine while kbin uses @ at sign in the beginning of the fediverse link. But to be honest reddit was kind of confusing to me in the beginning as well.
Let's say each planet is its own "codebase". Lemmy is a planet, Mastodon is a planet, Pixelfed is a planet, Kbin is a planet.
shitjustworks, lemmy.world, lemmy.ml (maintained by the creators of Lemmy), beehaw.org - these are all like separate countries on the Lemmy planet, each with its own unique citizens. They use the same Lemmy codebase, but are separate instances controlled by separate people. Anyone, even you, is allowed to use the Lemmy codebase and make and control their own instance. That's why beehaw can break off and have tighter rules. It's the fediverse working as intended
kbin.social, karab.in, fedia.io - these are all instances of the Kbin codebase. Kbin's a bit different because it can interact with link aggregators (like Lemmy) and microbloggers AKA Twitter posting (like Mastodon). Conversely, Lemmy can only interact with link aggregators. This is because Kbin and Lemmy are 2 completely separate codebases developed and maintained by different people
And in this example, the fediverse itself would be like an inter-galactic network that connects all of the planets and its countries to one another
If your house is your local computer, the place that you're accessing from (kbin.social) is like the post office in your town. You know how email addresses follow the format <user>@<hostname>? The same kind of thing is taking place here - kbin.social is it's own place, you log in there, and it has a local ability to moderate your posts and what you see.
The difference with ActivityPub is that instead of only seeing the mail that was delivered to you and knowing nothing about what other people's email looks like, you see the whole "town square" of kbin, and events in cities that it's connected to as well. Depending on what software is being run, that can be presented in different ways, because ActivityPub is flexible and focuses mostly on the idea of "sharing and subscribing to events" - it doesn't say what the interface has to look like.
kbin makes it look like reddit, but things happening on kbin are also represented on, for example, Mastodon. When I look at kbin's "Microblog" tab it shows a lot of accounts that I am familiar with from Mastodon. They don't live here, they aren't posting here, but they're "federated" here and you can interact with them.
The reddit blackout is even more effectivte than expected! 5177/8829 (~60%) of subreddits are still dark [1] and the posts per minute are down to 1000 from 1400 [2]....
hey everyone. if you want to post links or discuss the Reddit blackout, its aftermath, and what's happening going forward, please localize it to this thread in order to keep things tidy! thanks! we'll see if we need to cycle the thread again before the end of this week, but i don't know that we'll need to
Is there any way to make my home page only show my subscribed magazine threads instead of across the fediverse? I have it set to subscriptions under my profile settings for homepage but that doesn't seem to change anything.
@Hellsadvocate There should be gear icon next to an icon of 3 dots and lines, if you're on PC it should be on the right sight, mobile you tap the kbin logo and it pops up. In that gear turn on "Show top bar" from there you have the option of "Subscribed" which makes it only show stuff you are subscribed to. Alternatively you can just go to kbin.social/sub
I think mod tools will become a higher priority as more users, posts, and comments start to show up. Given kbin’s sudden explosive growth, I doubt mod support was high on the dev’s todo list last week.
There was a post about how beehaw was defederating from shitjustworks and lemmy.world about 6 hours ago. Are we involved in that, as are we a subset of lemmyworld?...
@buffaloseven do you mind if I pick your brain? Why does kbin have microblogs AND threads, and why do some magazine have only microblogs? Is that an admin choice?
Because they don't get listed by browse.feddit.de you'll want to browse https://kbin.social/magazines to browse "magazines", which is what they call communities...
This is Jaiko, she's a dutch breed called "kooikerhondje". If there are by any chance others with this breed on lemmy already, we should start a community ;)
FediDB adds "Threadiverse" category to track growth of Lemmy + Kbin
https://fedidb.org/current-events/threadiverse
Signs of the Reddit Migration Numbers - Top 20 Fastest Growing Servers on the Fediverse
OC Potentially unpopular opinion: It may be time to close registrations (temporarily).
Hey kbinMeta....
/kbin contribution and information for instance owners
The search form has been fixed (if you were experiencing this issue). This time, the Docker recreate may take a bit longer. Moving forward, when making changes, I will create pull requests like everyone else and ask for your review. Sorry for the inconvenience. Soon, the first tagged release will also be available. It's time to...
What’s the deal with lemmy.world and beehaw?
I don’t get what the problem is? Anyone can elaborate....
The harsh truth is...
That Reddit will not shut down. It will take the hit and go on and probably make at least some money. Only, it will be a much different place, more like Facebook or Instagram, in that it will be full of ads and less specific information....
It was confusing at first (lemmy.world)
What’s with the cynicism towards Lemmy on r/RedditAlternatives and Reddit in general?
For a sub that’s supposed to promote Reddit alternatives, there sure is a lot of pessimism on there. I see so many people dismissing Lemmy and kbin already for being too inaccessible, the UI is clunky, it’s hard to pick up etc and saying these sites will never take off. But why? Of course a platform in its infancy will have...
Me on my first day of lemmy (lemmy.dbzer0.com)
What is fediverse and why is it so talked about in this site?
fediverse?
60% of subreddits are still dark! Reddit activity down 30%
The reddit blackout is even more effectivte than expected! 5177/8829 (~60%) of subreddits are still dark [1] and the posts per minute are down to 1000 from 1400 [2]....
Megathread for Reddit Blackouts and News - Rest of the Week(?)
hey everyone. if you want to post links or discuss the Reddit blackout, its aftermath, and what's happening going forward, please localize it to this thread in order to keep things tidy! thanks! we'll see if we need to cycle the thread again before the end of this week, but i don't know that we'll need to
Isn't it ironic.... that we all left reddit because 3rd party apps were being killed off, and came to a place where there are no 3rd party apps.
edited to meet rule #3!
Are we 'Shadowbanned' from beehaw?
There was a post about how beehaw was defederating from shitjustworks and lemmy.world about 6 hours ago. Are we involved in that, as are we a subset of lemmyworld?...
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YSK that kbin.social is now federating, adding hundreds of communities and ~26k more users content
Because they don't get listed by browse.feddit.de you'll want to browse https://kbin.social/magazines to browse "magazines", which is what they call communities...
Jaiko, our kooikerhondje (lemmy.world)
This is Jaiko, she's a dutch breed called "kooikerhondje". If there are by any chance others with this breed on lemmy already, we should start a community ;)