bigMouthCommie

bigMouthCommie, 2 months ago

no one is doing that though

bigMouthCommie, 2 months ago

oh? where?

bigMouthCommie, 2 months ago

if you can substantiate the claim, you should. a claim made without evidence can be dismissed without evidence, and no one should believe you if you don't support your claims.

bigMouthCommie, 2 months ago

can you show someone doing this?

bigMouthCommie, 2 months ago

can't prove a negative, but just one counterexample would disprove it.

bigMouthCommie, 2 months ago

wrong.

bigMouthCommie, 2 months ago

that doesn't say they are the same

bigMouthCommie, 2 months ago

Your definition of sealioning, that it’s defined by intention, that it involves a mask, these are all non-falsifiable. You realize that right? They contain no mechanism for accepting new information from outside your ideology, and make your mind starve to death.

This overall approach to things — to operate on the basis that all is known and understood and that those who disagree or behave as if there might be incompleteness in the knowledge — is what the term “totalitarian” refers to.

A classic example of “totalitarian” thinking is if you solve a game like tic-tac-toe. Having a game 100% solved, ie having computed every move, and therefore having 100% certainty as to the optimal play strategy, is a situation where you’ve encapsulated the totality of the game in your mind.

The idea that the totality of existence, of real life situations, is already known and the optimal strategy already computed, is “totalitarian”.

A totalitarian dictatorship is one in which that totality of understanding, and the resulting certainty of optimal strategy, is used to justify stripping subjects of all freedom. Any deviation from the optimal is considered bad, so freedom is worthless.

And of course there are degrees of totalitarianism, expressed implicitly in aspects of culture.

Science, by its emphasis on putting empirical observation above theory in terms of trust, allows for external information to update itself. Science is not totalitarian in that sense.

The term “Sealioning”, by enabling people to decide that any interaction at any time possesses a particular intention (un-observable, non-falsifiable), or that a particular mask is being used (un-observable, non-falsifiable), that they can just ignore the interaction and cast aspersions on the person they’re interacting with.

bigMouthCommie, 2 months ago

seems to me they are not saying they are the same, but that they are both doing bad things.

bigMouthCommie, 2 months ago

bothesidesing is not necessarily saying they are the same. i don't recall ever seeing someone actually say both sides are the same.

bigMouthCommie, 2 months ago

it's bad to have your arm hacked off with a hatchet or sliced off with a chainsaw. they are not the same, though.

bigMouthCommie, 2 months ago

your accusation of bad faith is, itself, bad faith.

no one is saying both sides are the same.

bigMouthCommie, 2 months ago

spamming your (irrelevant) links is not the mark of genuine engagement.

bigMouthCommie, 2 months ago

i've never done that, and i don't know what you mean by "your kind" but it sounds vaguely bigoted

bigMouthCommie, 2 months ago

strictly, they are asking how they are different, not stating that they are the same.

bigMouthCommie, 2 months ago

you can't prove a negative, but only one counter example would undermine my disbelief.

bigMouthCommie, 2 months ago

i think this is probably a fair point, but i also think it's notable that this person was at the end of a long conversation and clearly emotionally distraught. if you pointed out this thread to them, they'd say "of course they're not the same, but neither is acceptable" or some variation. and i think that's a fair position to have.

bigMouthCommie, 2 months ago

but neither of those links do say both sides are the same

bigMouthCommie, 2 months ago

I don't trust proton and I don't know why anyone would

bigMouthCommie, 2 months ago

they didn't say threads is transphobic. tehy said threads allows transphobic content

bigMouthCommie, 2 months ago

it wasn't a trolley though, was it? it was individuals making decisions.

bigMouthCommie, 2 months ago

>Japan surrendered due to the Bomb drops.

we will never know whether they would have surrendered without them on the same time table.

bigMouthCommie, 2 months ago

>The US would not have stopped without total surrender. That would not have come without massive loss of life.

neither of these statements can be proven.

bigMouthCommie, 2 months ago

>The Japanese still exist due to the bomb and the Emperor.

nuking two cities is genocide, and it isn't a favor to the survivors.

bigMouthCommie, 2 months ago

how much of the 2016 position paper got done?