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notabot,

That may be your perfect search engine, I jyst want proper boolean operators on a sesrch engine that doesn’t think it knows what I want better than I do, and doesn’t pack the results out with pages that don’t match all the criteria just for the sake of it. The sort of thing you described would be anathema to me, as I suspect my preferred option may be to you.

notabot,

Our troop bought in bulk them then handed them out to the scouts who earned them, there were no micro transactions involved.

notabot,

He could charge for that. I reckon people would queue around the block to be turned into sentient dinosaurs. He could be one rich dino dude with huge fanbase of folks who’ve got his product and idolize him. That’s bound to work out well for everyone…

notabot,

Absolutely. That’s the thing that always gets me about so many ‘villains’, they could inevitability gain their desired ends much more easily by being ‘good’ but persist in being evil.

notabot,

Not just nukes, but nuclear shaped charges, at a rate of maybe one per second for a manned vehicle or even more for a faster cargo only mission.

notabot,

I suspect you’re getting down voted because you tried to make it sound positive (the ‘just handled’ bit for instance), rather than condemning it as barbaric.

notabot,

Thanks for the update. If you have the time and energy after the migration I’d be interested to hear details of the new setup, we have servers using vswitch too, and while I haven’t run into trouble myself I’d like to avoid it if possible. You know what they say about the wise learning from others’ experience!

notabot,

A question that’s been on my mind for a while: can you run vim in emacs? That way you’d have the best editor in the most comprehensive OS.

notabot,

I don’t know? Are you?

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notabot,

That’ll be Ophiocordyceps unilateralis. It invades the ant’s brain and causes it to leave it’s nest and go somewhere better for the fungus then wait to die as the fungus errupts from its head.

If we’re talking about nightmare mind control horrors, we shouldn’t forget our old friend toxiplasmosis gondii, which infects rodents, then alters their behaviour so they’re not afraid of cats, in particular. This leads to the rodent getting eaten so the parasite can infect the cat, which is the only place it can reproduce, before spreading from the cat faeces back into the rodent population. It can also infect humans where there is evidence that it affects behavior too, particularly making males more careless of rules.

Sleep well.

notabot,

No you didn’t, your parents were just incompetent dog owners, same as this ‘lady’.

notabot,

Debian works fine without systemd too, there’s a page on the wiki on how to install without it, or remove it after the fact.

notabot,

They seem to. Debian explicitly supports multiple init systems, sysvinit being the primary alternative, so packages have to handle systemd-init not being there.

notabot,

Probably not much time, a lot of packages come with init scripts anyway, and they’re pretty trivial to write if not.

You can certainly argue it’s a philosophical choice, I’d say it’s more down to recognising the many poor architectural choices in systemd, rubbing agaist its many pain points and misfeatures and being alarmed at the size of the attack surface it exposes. I understand there is an effort underway to reduce the size and complexity of the main shared library to help address the last point, but just the fact that is necessary shows the scope of the problem.

notabot,

Let’s agree to disagree on that point. Redhat switched because they invented it, and so took all the RHEL derivative distros with them. Debian switched to prefer it after a rather contentious vote and so took all the Debian derivative distros, including Ubuntu, with them. That just leaves a lot of the smaller distros, most of which seem to have stuck with sysvinit or similar as far as I can see.

notabot,

I obviously find the arguments against systemd more persuasive than you do, and that’s fine, it’s all open source and we can all make our own choices about it. My experience with it over the years has been, and still is that it vastly over complicates things that used to be simple, often the less commonly used parts just don’t work right (the automounter is a particular bugbear of mine, and few distros seem to use the network management component). The arguments do matter in practical terms as they directly impact how it works.

Of the distros you mentioned, centos is a RHEL derivative and so wasn’t independent, arch packages multiple init systems, but yes, I’d forgotten opensuse, and they seem to be firmly in the systemd camp.

I may be an internet rando, but I’m not actually angry, more just disappointed. I’d agree with Mr Torvald’s opinion that some of the design details are insane, but I think they are more fundamental than just ‘details’ as many are to do with the fundamental concepts around what systemd is and how it works. Linus can be a real dragon around changes to the kernel, but he’s always tended to be more relaxed about the layers above it.

That the developers of systemd are ‘much too cavalier about bugs and compatibility’ is surely clear to anyone who follows the relevant mailing lists and bug trackers, and should alarm everyone.

notabot,

I’m not disputing that he doesn’t think the issues are major, as I said, he’s usually pretty ambivalent about what runs on the kernel, so they’re not issues he cares about. On the flip side, I do care what is running because I have to manage and support it.

I do wonder if we’re talking at cross purposes though. You seem to mostly be talking about the systemd init system, I’m mostly talking about all the other bits it, as a sort of umbrella project, tries to encompass. I don’t much like the init system, I prefer to be able to explicitly set the ordering of the steps, rather than having them inferred, and I prefer shell script that I can test to unit files, but it mostly works ok. So does every other init system though, so it’s not a selling point.

As I said, the big problem is around how they’ve tried to do everything, much of it less well than what they’re replacing. Yes, you can build a system that uses systemd-init and none of the other components, but that still drags in a load of other dependencies, so you might as well use a different init that’s smaller and cleaner.

We came close to the ‘systemd apocalypse’ recently, when distros hooked the systemd library into openssh without understanding just how bloated it is and how many poorly monitored dependencies it brought in. It was just luck that the right person spotted a slight change in timing and investigated.

Ultimately I suppose it comes down to the level you interact with your systems at. If you just want to install your OS, a few packages they directly support and let it get on with it, then you probably neither know nor care that you run systemd, and that’s great. On the other hand, in my experience, when you try to push the system past that and do anything more customized you start running into the sharp edges and misfeatures on the various systemd components.

notabot,

NaevaTheRat? You’re not really a rat are you? You’re a Drop Bear. This is exactly the sort of thing a Drop Bear would post to entice more victims people to come to Australia.

Seriously though it’s a country I’d love to visit one day.

notabot,

They don’t need to replace PCBs everywhere, even doing so just in the stuff that already doesn’t last long would make a huge difference. In long term applications you get less waste per unit of time anyway.

notabot,

Can you imagine how offended you’d be if these were serious payments and the bank suggested you were joking? I have a mental image of a jihadist having an meltdown because their bank didn’t take them seriously.

notabot,

You hid a wolf under a family member’s pillow??? As in-jokes go, isn’t that a little… dramatic? Besides, who cleans up the mess afterwards?

notabot,

The difference is an adult passenger tend to also be somewhat aware of what’s going on on the road and will tend to shut up when things get hairy, even if only through panic. Someone one the other end of a phone won’t until they hear the crunch.

notabot,

If you have a stove I can definitely recommend heating your pizza in a dry (with no oil) frying pan. Set the temperature medium-low and heat a slice or two at a time for a few minutes. It comes out like it was freshly cooked.

notabot,

Thanks, that rather made my day.

notabot,

Oof, that sucks. It seems like the universe really does enjoy a cruel prank sometimes. I hope you’ve found something equally enjoyable to fill the pizza shaped hole in your meals.

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