wet_lettuce

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wet_lettuce,

How fucking old is this story?

This is from 2013.

wet_lettuce,

This is exactly the type of friction that made RiF my "reddit". It's not even close to the same experience and it's painful.

wet_lettuce,

It's also incredibly important to note that they are making this explicitly opt-in. So none of that 'dark pattern' mumbo jumbo with the tyranny of the default--where companies opt you in and most users dont realize they have to opt-out.

All in all they are going about this the right way it seems. The devil will be in the de-identifying technical details imo.

Do You Think There Would Have Been a Large Protest if Steve Huffman Just Said We're Charging to Use the API to Increase Revenue?

I've been a long time Redditor and an Apollo user for about a year. I even paid for it. The main draw for me was the lack of advertising. In the back of my head I kept thinking that it couldn't last. Reddit is losing revenue from the lack of advertising views. It didn't...

wet_lettuce,

All the drama and pisspoor management by spez aside, ultimately the way I used reddit is through RiF. To me, that's reddit. I can't stand their official app and their official website is horrendous.

They forced my app to close down so I guess that's that.

I stopped using RiF and consequently reddit in protest. I held out hope this was a shitty negotiation tactic by Reddit and they'd eventually back off somewhat. But they've tripled down on it.

This forced me to reevaluate my relationship with the platform and I decided to check out Lemmy kbin and mastodon. I also checked out some old forums I frequented before reddit took over.

I reinstalled a newsreader and set up RSS feeds for my favorite things.

Basically, I'm realizing I don't need reddit as much as I thought I did. I actually have enjoyed the fediverse,beehaw in particular, more. I never used Twitter but mastodon has really great content and engagement as well.

I'm not saying I'd never go back to Reddit. I probably would if RiF somehow survived, but reddits lost its luster for me and I don't trust it anymore. So why waste time actively participating there so I can have the rug pulled from under me again?

Reddit may not see a mass exodus like Digg or Myspace, but it's been poisoned and over time the rot will set in and it will fester. This will be the moment people point to as the turning point.

wet_lettuce,

zz will also quit it. Zz when vim is sleepy

wet_lettuce,

My hot take: I'm okay with a barrier to entry (right now).

Getting setup on the fediverse isn't necessarily a super simple process and there is a bit of learning curve for how it works.

That's okay. I actually like it. Here's why.

It means the people here want to be here. It means the people here understand what it is and more importantly what it isn't. It's not a reddit clone. It's not even old school forums. It's this.

And "this" isn't even it's final form. I fully expect for the fediverse to evolve over the next few months and years. As a community develops and the technology is refined, I am sure it will all get simpler as we knock off the rough edges.

In the mean time, this tiny barrier to entry keeps a lot of the whiners and naysayers away. It keeps people that only want a reddit clone, away. If you want reddit, use reddit. It's not going anywhere anytime soon.

It's a balancing act, because we don't want to turn so many people away that we can't build a reasonable community, but you also don't want a bad copy of a system people are leaving.

wet_lettuce,

I think this is a great point. I would say its much less of a privacy issue and more of a technical issue.

I think deletions should propagate across all instances and there should be a level of trust between federated servers that they will make those deletions as requested. If only because we'd have a mismatch and orphan comments lingering in perpetuity and we could end up with wildly inconsistent data across the fediverse.

wet_lettuce,

The "right to be forgotten" rules are, with all due respect to the EU regulators, pretty shortsighted.

I think the initial "right to be forgotten" lawsuit that Google faced from that Spanish guy-- where he claimed bankruptcy years prior. People( potential lenders?) kept finding that information online through google searches. He sued to have Google remove those sites from the index. He won and the Spanish Judge told Google they had to remove those results from searches.

But it didn't change that the information was still on each site. Those sites, the ones that actually held the information didn't get sued, just Google.

It also opened the door for oppressive governments covering up human rights abuses or hide other information they dont want widely available.

Google appealed and won: https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-49808208

I also want to point out that this Spanish guy's situation is very different from "posting publicly on social media". He was getting written about by others and the courts eventually said "no, this can stand. This information should remain available". So I imagine, public statements made by an individual certainly wouldn't qualify to be forgotten.

At the end of the day, to me, this is a technical decision not a privacy one.

wet_lettuce,

What license is it open sourced under? I think AGPL (or one of the GPLs) would be the only one that could sorta force that issue.

The community would have to enforce the rules of the license. It wouldn't stop them from attempting to commercialize but the code would all have to be 100% free and public. All of it. Free to review, change, copy, etc.

wet_lettuce,

I truly can't imagine a world where they do it in secret. They'll advertise it and slap their branding all over it.

wet_lettuce,

That's amazing. I appreciate the priorities.

Is your isp /network up? Or do you fail over to lte ?

wet_lettuce,

I wish the article included a map of the gains. It's tough to visualize/understand the progress without it.

wet_lettuce,

I think the calculus is: they can do it and not lose many users.

They think people leaving won't move the needle or they are so fucked financially they have to take the risk.

I haven't deleted my account, but I haven't looked at reddit since before the blackout. Once rif goes away, I'll likely never go back in any sort of active capacity.

I think they'll feel this one. Maybe not at first but there are lots of old (10+ year) active (serious karma) accounts that are leaving. They'll pull a Twitter and slowly die.

wet_lettuce,

Kbin's performance, especially initially, was pretty terrible-- with the cloudflare ddos protection on top of general lagginess. It still feels clunkier and slower.

It looks nicer and seems more..polished? (Don't know the right word) but it's also more confusing. I don't understand the microblog verse threads vs magazines tbh.

Anyone else enjoying the Internet better, now that they’re off Reddit?

Hadn’t realized how reliant upon Reddit I’d become for news and interesting things until after it turned to shit and I quit it. I’ve rediscovered RSS for ex., using reader apps to scan sources directly and read without all the noise—that actually came from someone’s recommendation here in the comments. I’ve found...

wet_lettuce,

got away from ageism

No way, old man winter!

Just kidding! I remember being on a gaming forum back in the early 00s and having a couple of "old" guys on (in their 30s-40s). We'd always give them shit, but at the same time looked up to them and thought it was cool they were still gaming.

They also had great perspective and wisdom to share with us teenage idiots.

Now I get to be the 'old' guy in my 30s. It's fun to engage with the younger crowd, and not dismiss them because of their age, because the younger generations have interesting perspectives too. I'm like paying it forward.

wet_lettuce,

Haha! I didn't even notice the avatar. So I guess maybe ageism and accidental sexism are still a thing here?

My bad :)

Future LLMs will be progressively worse - and possibly change how humans write

I was thinking about this after a discussion at work about large language models (LLMs) - the initial scrape of the internet before Chat GPT become publicly usable was probably the last truly high quality scrape of human-made content any model will get. The second Chat GPT went public, the data pool became tainted with people...

wet_lettuce,

I don't mind them charging a fee. The freemium model is nice and usually sustainable. It lets people pay for extra features but provides the free tier to those that don't want to.

I kinda wish we collectively started becoming okay with paying for internet-based products and services.

Even something like beehaw. Why not pay a couple of bucks a month for something you get value and joy out of?

I say this as a guy who runs Linux fulltime and uses mostly free and open source software, but who also donates to System76 (my OS's maintainer) and to a few of the projects I really like.

wet_lettuce,

My take is that "L"LMs are already old news. I think targeted or limited data-set language models are going to be the next wave.

I think this partly because very few people can do LLMs at the scale of Microsoft and Google so I think smaller firms and people in their garage are going to aim their sights on smaller targeted data sets with a eye towards factual accuracy.

And then maybe link them/daisy chain them together. I hope there is this unix philosophy for models where they do one thing well but you can 'pipe' data from one to another.

wet_lettuce,

The only drama I've seen on it is a few idealists on other instances complaining about it and these posts.

I actually like beehaw more as an instance because of what they've done.

Nilay Patel had a great article when Elon bought Twitter. One of the key take aways I tend to agree with is:"The essential truth of every social network is that the product is content moderation, and everyone hates the people who decide how content moderation works."

I love being part of a community and being able to discuss and debate. But ultimately I want to do it in a place where I don't feel creeped out, skeevy, or where I am getting harassed or threatened.

I value the moderation. I value the curation. I want the mods to defederate if they see an influx of trolls, shit posts, or sketchy content from a particular instance.

And you know what, I'll be annoyed when they block something or someone I don't think they should have.

The reality is: the fediverse is designed for this sort of thing. Theyve been very transparent and they will re federate when the tooling is better. I have no reason to doubt that.

I see this as growing pains and nothing more.

wet_lettuce,

That was my take. I imagine most of the admins/mods of the larger instances are very busy these last few days. It will shake itself out over time. The thing thats really interesting about the fediverse concept is that something like this can happen--for better or worse.

I personally appreciate the level of curation and moderation being done here. I looked at the blocked list and even some of the names just skeeve me out. I dont want to have to deal with that, and if the mods here can see lots of trolls or bad content coming from particular places, I like that they would take action to deal with it.

Shoutout to The Dude for being responsive and receptive, but I wouldn't write off the lemmy.world admin yet.

wet_lettuce,

I know its not the same thing, but you can do that with ansible. I started building playbooks that do exactly that. I review/refresh the playbooks every couple of months, but I've tested it on VMs and its literally a curl command of a script I host on nextcloud. Then it runs that, installs ansible and does its thing.

wet_lettuce,

I dont know that its how they brand themselves, but Pop!_OS is a fantastic linux gaming distro.

Its based on Ubuntu, but they do several very important things: they update/patch the kernel with the latest drivers and goodness and provide the latest nvidia proprietary drivers. So you get the stability and durability of ubuntu + newer kernel support which means things like much more current mesa drivers (for radeon cards).

I've been using it full-time for 3 (or 4?) years now. I technically have my PC dual booting with Windows for gaming reasons, but since the steamdeck took off all of the big games I want to play are available on linux. I've logged into windows exactly 2 times and that was to run updates.

Pop has been rock solid and turned out to be a great gaming OS.

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