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The second one improves the original concept so much, I really like it! ☺️

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Both Twitter and Reddit have failed to become profitable. And Twitter's in a far worse position right now than Reddit, because of its massive debt and lack of employees to fix or moderate issues. And since Reddit, who never had to pay for moderation, could not become profitable, it had to make some drastic changes toward that goal. Even if that dissatisfies users.

I was on Reddit for almost 10 years when I deleted my account. And while the platform will survive, it's difficult to say the same about Twitter. Not only was it a far worse experience to be on the platform after Musk acquired it, but now it's almost impossible to use it. People paying for the subscription have fewer issues, but I doubt that's going to drive up subscriptions, as Musk most probably expects.

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The bulk of the accounts had either sub-zero or single-digit reputation, which was weird. And it maybe have discouraged people from joining kbin from reddit, where karma was more easy to understand.

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Like most of people in here, I only pay for Tidal, while also having access to other platforms through friends or family.

“Reddit cannot survive without its moderators. It cannot.” - The Verge (www.theverge.com)

That’s a recent quote from Reddit’s VP of community, Laura Nestler. Here’s more of it: This week, Reddit has been telling protesting moderators that if they keep their communities private, the company will take action against them. Any actions could happen as soon as this afternoon.

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The comment is from last September, completely unrelated to what's happening now on the platform.

Why is Trilium so unknown? (github.com)

I mean Trilium is fantastic app, lots of potential but the developer is struggling on his own, maybe it's because it's younger than logseq or maybe because is open source compared to obsidian. I think it's the best note-taking/knowledge-base/second-brain i know it virtually could link everything you posses toghter to create a...

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Have you tried Anytype? It's a combination of Notion and Obsidian, and it's end-to-end encrypted, and everything is stored on your device. Still in alpha, but it has a lot of features already. Because it's in alpha, they only give access to people who attend an online presentation of the app. But it's worth it. And as soon as it exits alpha, the plan is to open source it.

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That's amazing! Anytype is one of the greatest note-taking apps I've ever tried, and there doesn't seem to be anything it cannot do. So happy to see others using and recommending it.

I updated the Android app and noticed there's a new desktop version as well, but I'm having issues updating it on Linux, so I just assumed it's still in alpha.

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As others (source 1, source 2) have put it, this spells huge trouble for ActivityPub if Facebook joins in. Which is what this organized effort is trying to prevent.

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Not exactly. What Facebook is expected to attempt here is an embrace, extend and extinguish strategy.

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I'm no ActivityPub expert, but what people more knowledgeable than me have pointed out is that this results in fragmenting the Fediverse, which ends up hurting it on the long run. I'd definitely not want to be on an instance that federates with Facebook, but I also wish none of the larger ones choose to do so.

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This is by far the best way to get your hands on high-quality, less-mainstream music. Been using it for years now.

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How is it a win for me if I specifically signed up for a fediverse account to get away from data-hoarding, money-driven corporations like Facebook? I don't want Facebook to have access to my account information, posts and comments. I think you're missing the point about who this company is and the extent to which it is willing to go to get people's data.

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I think you're missing the point. We are weary of Facebook's decision to enter the Fediverse exactly because we know it sees the Fediverse as a long-term threat and it could try to extinguish it. While they at first would adopt open standards and protocols, what stops them from creating proprietary extensions and using those and its dominance and resources to make it difficult for users to switch to other platforms in the Fediverse?

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Nobody's saying that, in terms of user bases, the Fediverse is comparable to Facebook or Instagram. And it seems to me that you are misrepresenting why people here, myself included, don't want our instances to federated with Facebook. It's not that we don't want bigger communities. Most of us have been on Facebook or Reddit and have given up on those bigger communities and adopted the Fediverse because it aligns with our values and privacy principles. Facebook does not. Its Fediverse platform will not suddenly be the opposite of what the company has been doing for more than a decade.

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I'm honestly questioning if TheYang is reading our comments or if they are just spewing the same talking points regardless of the arguments presented to them. It's baffling to see people so willing to embrace a corporation that has done nothing but exploit its users and their privacy.

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It seems we have different priorities and concerns, and I can respect that.

I'm skeptical of Facebook, as I see the potential of it attempting to take over the Fediverse. As I've said in a different comment recently, Facebook's business model goes against the Fediverse's business model. And, in the long term, the Fediverse model has the potential to compete with larger for-profit corporations. And, as it has done in the past with the acquisition of Instagram and WhatsApp, Facebook is now once again trying to prevent its demise by joining the Fediverse. Again, I'm not saying that the Fediverse is an existential threat to Facebook now, but it could be in the future. As people increasingly become weary of big corporations stealing their data, Facebook has to pretend that it's changing. That it has learned from its past mistakes. And I just don't buy it.

We're here because these large corporations have failed us.

Yes, I wasn't implying that Google or Facebook cannot see what we're talking, when I mentioned the privacy concerns. I was referring to this data not being used to profile us for targeted ads.

first it will be a black hole ripping through the Fediverse.

Not if most instances choose not to federate with Facebook. People who want to be on a federated instance can sign up to that instance. The option to not federate is a build-in feature of the Fediverse, and I hope kbin.social takes advantage of that. If not, I'll see myself out and look for an instance that does.

Here's an article that helped me understand this issue better: https://ianbetteridge.com/2023/06/21/meta-and-mastodon-whats-really-on-peoples-minds/.

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Is it really fair to call Facebook just one bad actor? It's one of the largest corporations in the world, has some of the largest social media and messaging platforms out there. In terms of resources, there are very few companies, let alone individuals or groups, that can compete with Facebook.

If you look at it in these terms, you understand that Facebook has an interest in making sure that ActivityPub doesn't too large without Facebook having a say in it. If it could control the whole internet, I'm sure it would. So, no, I don't agree with your framing of the issue.

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But that wasn't my point. It's not that I think that Facebook or Google cannot scrape Fediverse platforms/instances, it's that even if they do, they cannot serve targeted ads based on our activity here.

We have different definitions for privacy. Since I'm active here, it should be clear that to me private doesn't mean hidden. I like how the EFF put it, in their article on the Fediverse:

[T]he default with incumbent platforms is usually an all-or-nothing bargain where you accept a platform’s terms or delete your account. The privacy dashboards buried deep in the platform’s settings are a way to tinker in the margins, but even if you untick every box, the big commercial services still harvest vast amounts of your data. To rely on these major platforms is to lose critical autonomy over your privacy, your security, and your free expression.

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Here's an article that goes into detail about why Facebook joining the Fediverse means the end of the Fediverse: https://ploum.net/2023-06-23-how-to-kill-decentralised-networks.html.

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I think there is a tendency, at least in the early phase of discovering you're queer, to believe there's something remarkable about that. I certainly thought so for a while, especially because where I'm from being openly queer was not as prevalent 15 years ago as it is now. I'm happy to have friends who don't treat me differently for being queer, who love and support me for who I am.

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The Fediverse and Facebook's business model are incompatible, and that's the main issue here. And in terms of users, I'm sure there are a lot of kbin and Lemmy users who would have an issue with their instances federating with Facebook.

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When I deleted my Facebook account a good five years ago, I started using RSS to get my news. I also use Feedly. I like how the app looks, I still use the legacy one, as it's simple and I'm used to it.

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I haven't either, I enjoy the federated aspect and follow quite a few lemmy communities.

Matana Roberts announces new album, Coin Coin Chapter Five: In the garden... - Treble (www.treblezine.com)

Matana Roberts has announced a new album, the fifth chapter in their Coin Coin series, which began back in 2011 with Chapter One. On September 29, Roberts will release Coin Coin Chapter Five: In the garden… via Constellation. The album was produced by Kyp Malone of TV on the Radio, and the first music they’ve shared is the...

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she's amazing, can't wait for the new album to come out 🎷

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