fr0g

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fr0g,

Oh man, this is a bit awkward all around.

Don't really like any of the TW winners personally and two of the suggestions plus the kalpa winner are all ones that were part of a broader theme that didn't get picked up by the other logos. The goal was to create something that is consistent across the board, but he results kinda point in a different direction.

I do like the Slowroll winner and the leap winner is a safe choice, too if course.

I also like LCP winner for the main logo and am generally in favour of a new logo. But all of the three other too contenders are basically just retreads of the OG logo, which can probably be read as no real desire by the broader community for a change.

fr0g,

The commit list will give you a fuller picture.
https://codeberg.org/Kbin/kbin-core/commits/branch/develop

With the caveat that things don't make it to kbin.social or any other instances the moment the commit happens, but only whenever the server gets updated (no idea how to check that).

fr0g,

Of the remaining ones I'd say Fedora is probably the safest bet. Not as cutting edge as the other two, but well engineered and stable.
Rolling releases like Tumbleweed and Endeavour can be more interesting and partifularly good for gaming because they always have the newest stuff and patches and performance improvements. Which can also bite you a bit in the back though if you have an Nvidia graphics card. Nvidia doesn't play too well with open source and they don't put a lot of effort into it, so the newest versions of their drivers occasionally break or do stupid stuff. Which isn't a big deal if you have a system that can rollback (tumbleweed can, dunno about endeavour) but might be a bit annoying sometimes

Reminder that RedHat makes A LOT of money already. The results of the 2019 fiscal year show that RedHat spends twice as much money on ads and sales people than on developers. (www.businesswire.com)

Our subscriptions mostly pay for the salesmen and the ads. They sell ads first, IT second. So I'm not gonna cry for RedHat. The image of the poor developers working in a cave, struggling to make money is only in our mind. They had a perfectly functional model but decided to sabotage some of it to try to squeeze even more money....

fr0g,

Well these contributions are now behind a paywall. The salary of the sales people devs are now safe.

They factually are not. Any fixes to RHEL go also go to CentOS Stream. and their contributions to the Kernel, GNOME, etc are freely available to anyone as well.

fr0g,

Due to my lack of strict knowledge, I take it that there is a difference of opinion on whether RedHat violates the GPL in this case

I don't think there is a difference of opinion? RedHat only offering source code to paying customers (and devs) is completely legal and in line with the GPL license. But maybe there's something more to it that I missed.

fr0g,

It will stop a lot of people from entering random commands they googled up though.

fr0g,

Yes, it's different. Self-hosting means you set up a running version of kbin (or whatever) on your own server. All the different domains you see (lemmy.ml, beehaw.org, lemmy.world, kbin.social, fedia.io etc etc) are on their own servers. Theoretically you could also set up a version where you are the sole user even.

fr0g,

There are some minor things. Accessing communities on your own is probably more efficient in terms of server load. A community from your instance can never get cut off from you due to defederation.
But those are honestly just very minor things.

fr0g,

Even most of the Linux apps use Shazam or similar for the backend. Most everything you will find in that area has some proprietary components and I can imagine that being hard to avoid for something that has to interface with licensed content (the music)

fr0g,

I think it might be worth exploring making them more bean-shaped as opposed to the more ball-shaped appearance they have now.

fr0g,

Not really. The real life thing is carefully guided process with serious obligations in which the professionally trained and educated judge is still the main arbiter. The jury is segmented to a very specific part of the process with a clear protocol for a reason.

What you're asking for is giving every Xth rando a police badge because law enforcement is understaffed.

fr0g,

The reputations system is still a bit messed up and still works like in th earlier days when upvotes were actually boosts. It's probably gonna get changed eventually.

https://codeberg.org/Kbin/kbin-core/issues/80

openSUSE Tumbleweed appreciation

After distro hopping for ages, a while back I found myself giving Tumbleweed a try and I have been here ever since. Really really liking the experience and don't think I'll be hopping anywhere anytime soon. The game changer for me was the btrfs file system, and using snapper to do a rollback due to a bad update, and everything...

fr0g,

openSUSE Tumbleweed is great and all, but have you tried openSUSE Aeon/formerly MicroOS Desktop (based on TW)? Don't really wanna go back to traditional Linux Desktops at this point.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKYLF1tA4Ik

fr0g,

You can follow kbin users on Mastodon etc (and on kbin itself of course). So in those cases boosts will just work like boosts/retweets, broadcasting a post to your followers. That plus the mentioned bumping it im the active queue.

fr0g,

I think Karl actually gets a lot of love on Lemmy, ifyaknowwhatimean. 🟥🛠️

fr0g,

Each account you have is tied to your server. So you can't log into kbin with your mastodon account and you can only use your mastodon account for mastodon app (although some apps support several services).
But you can use your mastodon account to comment on a beehaw or kbin thread. And you can use kbin to follow mastodon accounts in the typical timeline style (don't think lemmy/beehaw can do that though)

Do you need all three? Probably not. Mastodon is really best for twitter style interactions, lemmy/beehaw for reddit style discussions. Kbin can actually do both in a reasonable manner, but is still the earliest in development, while Mastodon is the most mature with some cool extra features.
Personally, I think three accounts is probably too much in the long run (I have a Masto and a kbin account) but you can take your time and see what experience you like best.

fr0g,

They are not the same, but they can talk to each other. Both aim to create a reddit-like experience with groups, threads and votes. And both use the ActivityPub protocol, meaning that not only can different kbin (or lemmy) servers talk to each other and you can see groups, conversations etc from other servers on your own (if both servers agree to talk to each other), they can also talk to entirely different services. So you can interact with mastodon posts in kbin and kbin groups on lemmy etc.

So they both follow the same basic rules of communication, but otherwise are fairly different. Written in different programming languages (I thinm), different features implemented, different UI.

So for the most part, in terms of what conversations you want to take part in, it mostly doesn't matter which you use. But in terms of user experience and features, there can be big differences so you can try out both and see what suits you better.

/kbin update - upvotes, boosts, languages...

Hi everyone, You may have noticed a small change on the website. From now on, upvotes work just like on Lemmy - they are equivalent to Mastodon's "favourite." You can boost a post using the button that replaced "favourite." Another change is that you can now rate and boost your own posts. Boosting has a one-time effect - it...

fr0g,

Not sure if you're aware of that already, but the order of items for Activity is currently boosts, reduces, faves, which I assume is still a holdover from the old way to do it or at least it's kinda unintuitive. Don't think this is a particularly urgent issue, but maybe something to mark down for later.

fr0g,

They do carry over, but until just now kbin was using boosts for upvotes while lemmy uses likes. Now that kbin also uses likes you should see the numbers align much better.
(I don't think downvotes currently federate between the two projects though)

On Reddit and it’s federated rivals, Lemmy and kbin (www.jayeless.net)

As you may have heard, Reddit’s decided to pull a Twitter and start charging an extortionate amount of money for access to their previously-free API, in order to drive third-party clients like Apollo and RIF into extinction. Under Reddit’s proposed pricing, …

fr0g,

However, Kbin maps upvotes to boosts, and displays “favourites” (which include Lemmy upvotes) separately.

Does anyone know if that applies for both threads and replies? I think it make some sense for threads. Would get a bit annoying though if you followed some kbin account on mastodon or similar and every single upvote for every single reply gets boosted.

fr0g,

I do like the idea of both likes and boosts adding to the score (but not double) which I think (I used translataion) the last comment in the codeberg issue is making.

And even at the risk of making things more complicated I wonder if it would make sense to have separate logic for threads and replies. I think for threads, upvoting to increase relevance/have it be shown to more people in the community makes way more sense, while within the conversation, I feel it correlates much more strongly to simpe approval/disapproval. And if you already are IN the thread thread, you probably want to see upvoted comments, but if you aren't, getting random comments from random convos boosted into your timeline is just confusing.

So I think there's some arguments for separating thread/comment logic, which also opens up new avenues for UI.

Main threads could even get rid of the upvotes/downvote buttons and have one single button "increase reach" button that corelates with fedi-boosting and also is used as the scoring mechanism.

Replies could have the classic up and downvotes with the upvote correlating to likes.

And I guess both main threads and replies could have a separate smaller button that correlates to likes for main threads and boosts for replies.

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