Let me preface by saying, I would love to hear counter points and am fully open to the fact that I could be wrong and totally out of touch. I just want to have some dialogue around something that’s been bothering me in the fediverse....
I embrace it. It's my core identity. Now excuse me, I have to put up some shelves.
On more serious note:
I want to see kindness and compassion. I want to talk to people about topics they are interested in. I want to have relevant discussions without it dissolving into some commentary on some unrelated hot topic thing.
I’m with you on this one, in a vacuum I don’t really have a problem with the term “normie” but here it is completely being used as gatekeeping.
This whole meta controversy has really caused some brain rot, a lot of people talk about this place as if it’s better because it “gatekeeps”. They say they enjoy this place because it is niche and doesn’t have the “below room temperature IQ posters” (actual quote I saw)
I don’t like this attitude, I really don’t like it. It is way to common on the internet, especially for hobby communities to have this attitude.
the term always gives me images of channer culture; like it reminds me when the internet as a whole thought that 4chan and its ilk were cool and elite for being shitty for “lulz”
"Normie" is one of the few words that I cringe over everytime I read it. I consider myself to be in, or adjacent to, the group of people that would use that word, since I am tech affinitive and that group is usually the one that uses it. But I cringe everytime I see it used unironically because I don't want non-tech affinitive (or lesser affinitive) people to lump every person that has something to do with IT or similar into the group of people they don't want nothing to do with because they're always condescending towards them.
It's literally like as if you're saying "Did you know that I have an IQ of 150?".
You're not gatekeeping anyone out of your life by using that word, you're gatekeeping yourself out of every "normal" persons life by using that word.
Every person that ever met or talked to a person that is part of the non-"normie" group does not want to associate with other people that might be in the same group. I've experienced it myself often enough even though I don't consider myself far gone like the people that talk to every "normie" in a condescending way, but they don't know it.
I genuinely try to hide the fact that I have fun tinkering with my PC or programming because of that. Because I do not want people that are not tech affinitive to think 'I'm probably just a stuck-up asshole'.
Pretending there isn't any condescension toward the "normies" when using the term is blatantly exhibiting the exact behavior the OP referenced. It's not how inclusivity works in a community at all. It alienates anyone that isn't already a part of it.
This is absolutely not how you approaching communities. They literally said it creates an Us vs them mentality and you claim that as a positive? Groups are not about us vs them. At all. Nor is it how you build communities. That's how you create echo chambers and cliques and lead to your own downfall as a community.
I will just say, that image of what the fediverse is (or ought to be), while not rare, is not shared by everyone.
If you actually want gatekeep only high effort posta you might want to go to Tildes.
I don’t think gatekeeping is the answer, I mean I always wanted this platform yo grow horizontally unless there are many, many instances and a lot of people for variety. If you want to see only high effort content only join appropriate communities, it’s as easy as that. To justify blthr block because it will taint the space is just a bad arguments in my eyes.
Right now fediverse is mostly made up of techy people - which is fine! But there are many other kinds of people you might potentially want to interact with online. Threads could bring in normies and celebs to the metaverse. Normies are a mixed bag - this includes your racist uncle but also your really cool and funny friend who can't be bothered to set up a mastodon account. Celebs are a source of real world influence (I'm including politicians and journalists for example in this category) which is obviously attractive. I'm gonna miss cyberbullying local politicians on twitter, and it would be nice to be able to continue doing so through the comfort of e.g. kbin.
I get your point and I largely agree but it isn't that hard to see the appeal of threads for me. I don't think it's gonna work out in the end though so I really hope they mostly stay of the broader fediverse.
I personally am quite against it. I joined Lemmy to stay away from the toxicity on Meta’s platforms. I don’t want any corporate bodies on the fediverse either and possibly doing to the fediverse what Google did to XMPP
In an ideal world, I would agree with this, but as OP mentioned, the worry is they'll do something similar to what Google did with XMPP. Meta starts adding non-standard features and extensions to activity pub, grows their platform to the point where all other instances are forced to adopt the same standard, then they defederate to close off the ecosystem, making them the only option for many to stay connected. I feel like the only way to not fall into that trap is to either not bother copying whatever proprietary stuff they add right from the start or not federate with them to begin with. If there are alternatives I'm not considering, I would love to hear them.
Good luck! Give me a shout if you need a hand building/running it, it wasn’t the most straightforward when I did it but it might have improved since last year.
I'm currently reading the Wool omnibus by Hugh Howey. It's pretty decent I've been making very rapid progress as it's been too hot to sleep here recently now the summer has arrived....
Rant: I hate the term “normie”.
Let me preface by saying, I would love to hear counter points and am fully open to the fact that I could be wrong and totally out of touch. I just want to have some dialogue around something that’s been bothering me in the fediverse....
I don't get people that are here in the fediverse and *want to bring over* the content that is on FB, IG, TikTok, etc.
This has come to mind because all the chatter about Meta federating....
Opinions on federation with Meta's new threads? (lemmy.blahaj.zone)
I personally am quite against it. I joined Lemmy to stay away from the toxicity on Meta’s platforms. I don’t want any corporate bodies on the fediverse either and possibly doing to the fediverse what Google did to XMPP
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I'm currently reading the Wool omnibus by Hugh Howey. It's pretty decent I've been making very rapid progress as it's been too hot to sleep here recently now the summer has arrived....
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My wife and I just lost one of our precious boys and I wanted to share his cute little face with all of you in the hopes he can bring a smile to you like he did for us his whole life. Love you forever little buggy.
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