Calckey now Firefish seems really cool, but tbh I really can’t say I’m a fan of this rebrand. Calckey was distinct. Firefish sounds either like a Mozilla product, or a Firefox browser fork, or else bland office software. Definitely a downgrade imo.
De mon côté, j’ai découvert la plateforme hier, je trouve vraiment ça sympa, l’interface est vachement plus agréable que Mastodon, et on peut avoir des emojis réactions et des citations de posts (deux choses qui manquent à Mastodon).
Je vais sûrement me créer un compte prochainement pour tester
It’s not just specific to Clackey, but I really hate when sites hijack the right-click menu, either to remove options, or to modify it for “theme”. I get that it looks pretty wrt to the site’s theme, but seriously, leave browser controls the fuck alone.
I like that they’ve read the memo about fediverse projects being named after animals, but firefish doesn’t fit. They should have gone with Coelacanth or something like that… but easier to spell.
Can anyone ELI5 what the difference is between Mastodon and Firefish? Are they basically the same but a different instance similar to sh.itjust.works vs lemmy.world?
Yep! And they have different styling & feature sets that some may prefer, like Firefish has full text search & quoting posts unlike Mastodon for a super basic yet big difference.
There’s also a bunch of other features I haven’t dug into much that are interesting, like “antennae” for following words/hashtags and widgets for a variety of things. I don’t know how well they all work, but overall it’s aiming to be much more robust than Mastodon.
All these federated services suffer from similar well-publicized problems, but Calckey appears to offer one of the nicer user interface schemes so far. Though unrelated, maybe the rebrand can help build mindshare for Firefox.
Great. I always wondered why they decided on calckey, it always just sounded like a third-rate calculator found on Google Play. I really like the new logo.
It also sounds too much like Firefox. But either way, it doesn’t sound like accounting software anymore which was my issue with calckey’s branding prior to now anyway lmao
But it’s by far the best fediverse platform I’ve used from a functionality standpoint and I’m quite fond of it so hopefully this puts more eyes on it
I’m on Sakurajima.social because it was partered with the small anime-oriented masto instance I used previously so it felt like an easy swap and i could trust the moderation policy but my advice is, if you wanna use it like mastodon find a small instance where you can trust the mods and talk to them, and if you want to use it like its own platform (using channels, namely) find the biggest instance that’s catered towards the niche you’re most passionate about. Channels are a big feature sell of firefish for me so being on an anime-centric instance makes a lot of sense for me :)
A lot of issues with PWAs on iPhone are due to Apple limitations. Maybe one day Apple will improve their support for PWAs. The thing is that they have no incentive to make the experience as good as apps, since they can’t charge their Apple Tax (30%) for purchases in a PWA.
To happily support authoritarian overthrows and corporate corruption of government you need to literally be anti-woke, so it makes sense. Full on mask-off, yet still veiled.
Let's all agree that of its many issues, locking/deleted open threats to targeted minority groups and pro supremacist propaganda meant to hurt or influence vulnerable people was NOT a drawback of the Reddit experience.
Yes, it's a difficult thing to enforce a subjective line of a basic standard of decency, but it's also what a society is and one of the main reasons we faucet as people. The quality of a group is shown in how they accommodate the weakest and most vulnerable among them.
If we aren't prioritizing a way to send this CHUD and people liked them to the hypothetical edge of town, to be sure they can't bombard the young person struggling with their gender identity with targeted hate, then what are we doing here?
The entire point about federation is that these issues largely solve themselves.
Don't like the community...block it.
Instance is going to shit...defederate it.
The people on the anti-woke community can continue screaming into their echo chamber and no one who doesn't want to has to listen to it without resorting to censorship and banning. Let assholes be assholes in their own instance and the rest of us can just close our sound-proof windows and not have to listen to them.
Allowing fascist/bigoted echo chambers to exist at all just facilitates more hate being brought into the world. Obviously one can only do so much, but I think there is some sort of obligation there for both an individual and a community to stop the spread of hate.
You can't censor people's opinions on the internet. If you lock them out everywhere they set up their own site, and they've got every right to do so. Banning certain unwanted opinions has never and will never work, that's not how you deal with extremism effectively.
Sure, but the goal here is not necessarily to eliminate hate-speech entirely, since that is obviously impossible; the goal is to make it hard to find. You do that by not allowing hateful communities on your website. I don't want an impressionable teenager, for example, to get sucked into a fascist echo chamber on the same sites they use to talk about video games. That was (still is?) a huuuge problem in the YouTube gaming scene.
Ideally there would be systems in place to stop the fascists from creating their own echo chamber instance, but I understand why people would be scared of that power being abused. So fine, let them then. But they should never see the light of day.
Genuinely - if you do not think this is effective, how do you think we can deal with extremism effectively?
I disagree. You can't eliminate hate by shoving it in a corner. You have to try to fight speech with speech. Your proposal only splits the group into 2 opposing echo chambers. The one that you consider right and the one they consider right. Neither will ever have their opinions questioned and both will have their opinions reinforced by the peers around them. I had friends absolutely shocked by a 2021 gallop poll showing only 34% of Americans supported trans youth playing sports for their preferred gender. They spent so much time listening to people on reddit agree with them, that they couldn't fathom they were in the minority. Creating an insulated safe space only fosters ignorance.
I get what you are saying but what you are suggesting is not technically feasible with this type of technology.
Only the admin of an instance can shut it down. Best we can do is block instances which allow such content.
This network isn't centrally controlled, It is like email. You can't stop someone from having an email address, all you can do is block the sending address or the server as a whole. And even then, that person or server you blocked can still email other people who want such content.
You could defederate every other instance in the world which uses ActivityPub and those other instances will still exist. In that scenario you haven't stopped the spread of anything, you just can't see it anymore.
Definitely, and that is one of my main fears/critiques of this whole fediverse thing. Ideally there will be a system in place to help mitigate that, if there isn't already. Defederating is also effective.
I guess my point is that any instance (or website in general) that was not started with the inherent goal of being a fascist echo chamber should be completely intolerant of fascist/bigoted ideas. Especially the big ones, like lemmy.world and Kbin. And they should do everything within their power to not let those ideas exist. The paradox of tolerance and all that.
Some people are too far gone and will just run away into the shadows, sure. I'm more concerned about the "regular" people who are exposed to those ideas against their own will and get sucked into this cycle of hatred.
Since you clearly don’t, and seemingly don’t want to, understand the fediverse or free speech, why not just go back to Reddit where you can be happier?
Censorship has never and will never prevent ideas from existing, being discussed, and spreading. It doesn’t even slow them down. It just drives them into spaces where you can’t see. Lookup Soviet-era samizdat for a better discussion.
Since you clearly don’t, and seemingly don’t want to, understand the fediverse or free speech, why not just go back to Reddit where you can be happier?
Okay let's deescalate a bit... One can enjoy something and still criticize it. I did not think expressing a worry about the spread of fascist ideology and hate-speech would invite backlash. Can you seriously not relate to that? There has got to be some kind of miscommunication going on here.
Censorship has never and will never prevent ideas from existing, being discussed, and spreading. It doesn’t even slow them down. It just drives them into spaces where you can’t see.
Yes, I want to drive Nazis and bigots into spaces where they are hard to find. They degenerate whatever space they're allowed in. I'm not naive enough to think this will extinguish them, and I wasn't trying to even imply that, but the alternative is to do what - just give them a platform to spew hatred? Do you have a solution? Or are you just going to spit out baseless accusations and tell people to leave if they're not complacent with hate-speech in a space they enjoy?
I'm down to have a discussion but show some kindness.
...There has got to be some kind of miscommunication going on here....
Perhaps. To paraphrase, I hear your position as "I don't like what they're saying. Exile them." Is that accurate?
Extremism of all stripes is dangerous. If you don't like what someone is saying, be a grown up and ignore them.
I'm a former journalist. I won't endorse censorship, even (especially) when it's speech I dislike. You win a debate by presenting a better argument, not by gagging your opponent.
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.” – Evelyn Beatrice Hall
Perhaps. To paraphrase, I hear your position as “I don’t like what they’re saying. Exile them.” Is that accurate?
That is my solution, but I think the communication issue may lie in the intent. I want forum sites such as Lemmy or Kbin to encourage dialogue from a diverse user base, and I think that allowing fascist and bigoted rhetoric inhibits that goal. Those kinds of people have proven that they almost never discuss in good faith, and I think they will push away individuals who are looking for a space to have good faith discussions. You may have heard of the paradox of tolerance. If you haven't, I'd encourage you to read about it. I’d like to hear what you think.
Also, I know that you were paraphrasing, but I want to be completely clear that this is not because “I don’t like what they’re saying.” Obviously, I think it is healthy to encounter differing opinions. But I believe the rhetoric I’m talking about is more than mere “differing opinions” … it is hurtful, dangerous, and attempts to both justify and normalize discrimination. All while providing no value whatsoever.
Extremism of all stripes is dangerous. If you don’t like what someone is saying, be a grown up and ignore them.
You and I might be able to parse through the dogshit on the internet, but there are people who can’t. I think there is an obligation to keep alt-right propaganda out of the same space that an impressionable teenager would use to talk about Minecraft. Especially now, there have been far too many kids radicalized in that way. It’s far too easy to weaponize someone’s hatred and insecurities.
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.” – Evelyn Beatrice Hall
If you broaden the scope, I wholeheartedly agree. But websites are not countries, moderators are not governments, and content policies are not laws. To be banned from a website does not deprive one of their rights. I really don’t think you need to compromise your morals to have a space, or participate in a space, that has no toleratence bigotry and discrimination. Plus, there are already established limits to free speech that attempt to keep peace and order, like the “you can’t yell fire in a crowded theater” clause. I don't see my desires here as much different than that.
I want forum sites such as Lemmy or Kbin to encourage dialogue from a diverse user base....
But only so long as you approve of their message.
Those kinds of people....
Rules for thee but not for me. That's where this line of bigotry inevitably leads.
I'm well aware of the Paradox of Tolerance. What you're complaining about is nowhere near that limit.
...the rhetoric I’m talking about is... hurtful, dangerous, and attempts to both justify and normalize discrimination. All while providing no value whatsoever.
From my perspective, you're the one attempting to justify and normalize discrimination while, by extension of your own argument, removing the value of an opposing viewpoint from the discussion.
Bigotry and discrimination, like art, are in the eye of the beholder. How is your eye more qualified than anyone else's?
There are a very small number of limitations on First Amendment rights in the US: obscenity, child pornography, defamatory speech, false advertising, true threats, and fighting words (American Library Association). Which of these covers the speech you would have the admin ban for you?
There is no way to "mitigate" what I have described. To use a cliche, it is a feature not a bug.
It is a decentralised system. To have a centralised control mechanism would fundamentally change it from a decentralised to a centralised system.
Blocking and defederating from communities and instances which break community guidelines is the best we can do. It won't make the problem go away but it does help to limit the reach of it.
Yeah :/ It's quite unfortunate. I love the idea of ActivityPub/the Fediverse and think it is a net positive, but the fact that Nazis can use it to easily platform their ideas just leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
I'm hoping that admins of all instances (or at least the biggest instances) will be vigilant against combating hate speech so that "Fediverse" or "Lemmy" won't have the same connotations as 4chan for example. I guess time will tell
They will. There were similar problem with email in the late 90s with the proliferation of open mail relays which just allowed bulk spamming and scamming communications.
Pretty much all of them were universally blocked. But we still get spam and scam emails. So there is a good use case that highlights the problem.
Simply don't go to that magazine? Fuck, people....censorship is bad, but it sounds like kbin is committed to it. Is there a community I can join that has full free speech? This is a serious question.
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