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jarfil, to humanities in When Species Names Are Offensive, Should They Be Changed?

They should revamp all the names, and only leave descriptive names in latin.

What wasn’t possible in the 1800s because of lack of quick communications, leading to multiple explorers using the same name, is not a limiting factor anymore. Just keep an official centralized database, like for trademarks.

I know, a bunch of stuff has been named for their “discoverers”, and they deserve some credit… which goes best in a “classified by” field in a database, along a “year of classification”, “place of classification”, “other names”, and such. Add a “previously classified as” field, and even searching by the old name is no longer a problem.

sik0fewl,

They should revamp all the names, and only leave descriptive names in latin.

This is exactly what the American Ornithological Society did for English bird names.

flora_explora,

You realize that there are millions of species (according to wiki about 8-8.7 million eukaryotes alone) out there and that in many fields, there is not a lot of information on how a species looks like etc? Additionally we already have a great chaos of names and terms and it is often not easy to sort out a name for a certain species (that’s why there are tools like plantsoftheworldonline). I get the urge to just start from scratch and give them all descriptive names, but this would be a huge undertaking spanning many different areas of research interests. Maybe as a good example, just think of Coleoptera. There are about 400,000 described species with an estimate of “0.9 to 2.1 million total species”. Many of these you can really only identify by their genitalia. So what would be descriptive names? Mostly related to genitalia I guess. But that wouldn’t help a layman. You could also look at plants: orchids have about 27,000 described species. Often with very minor differences in flower morphology. Or you look at fungi, bacteria, archaea, protists and all the other more cryptic groups. And then you realize, names and the taxonomy of huge groups of taxa frequently change. As an example look at the APG where they massively changed the taxonomy of angiosperm plants. Maybe it would be a good idea if some researchers/taxonomists clean up a bit in their area of expertise. And as you can see, they already do. There won’t be any unifying, overarching taxonomy of all taxa though. What’s limited the people in the 1800’s doesn’t limit us today, true. But what limits us today is the sheer amount of information we already collected.

jarfil, (edited )

Many of these you can really only identify by their genitalia. So what would be descriptive names?

Let me present: Opeatocerata megalophallus (NSFW… or something… Google it at your own risk)

that wouldn’t help a layman

A layman doesn’t get impacted by the taxonomy of anything. Whether it’s an Ursus Arctos, a Pangasius Hypophthalmus, a Staphylococcus Aureus, or an Acacia Barbinervis, what a layman wants to know is whether: it can eat them, they can eat it, or neither.

in many fields, there is not a lot of information on how a species looks like

If there is a way to tell two species apart, that information can be used to name them. If there is no way to know how they look, just slap an ID number; no look, no name.

what limits us today is the sheer amount of information we already collected.

I don’t think that’s really a limitation. Start with a sequential ID number, add identifying information, references to IDs with whatever similarities or relationships, think of a descriptive name afterwards.

flora_explora,

So your idea is to get rid of names and replace them by IDs? But how would communication between researchers work then? If I say, “Do you know R283BQ23? Oh no, that’s actually R283BQ24”. OK, so you propose to use descriptive names for more common species I guess. But how can you make a distinction which species are important enough to have a descriptive name? For specialized researchers the species in their field need a rememberable name. So you end up with a big list of IDs and many new (and some old) descriptive names. You have now just made everything more complicated for everyone. Researchers already work on making the species names workable. If you look at plantsoftheworldonline, they already have a huge database of species IDs with additional information. Why introduce a sequential ID number? Have you worked in biology or taxonomy? (From how you write species names I would think not). I think it’s a nice idea to have such a neat order with sequential IDs. But you quickly realize how hard this would be to accomplish the moment you start working with any organism. Just thinking of multiple species that are actually the same or any species that is actually two or species that hybridize a lot or species interactions or species that we simply cannot tell apart yet but that are probably various species. As much as I like order, as much I have to admit that nature is messy and we try to impose an artificial structure onto it that will never fit.

Regarding the actual debate on changing offensive names of species (or whole genera/higher taxonomic orders), I would be in favour. I get why we need consistent rules but the article gives good examples how this can be accomplished. I would also be in favour of more descriptive names and a ban on naming taxa after people. On the other hand, from the hundreds (thousands?) of species I know/had to learn, many are named after people and as I said, it will be very hard to find good descriptive names for millions of species. These rules preventing us from arbitrarily changing names means also that older names stick so often the descriptiveness of names can be deceptive. A made up example could be following: someone newly describes the species you named before O. megalophallus because in the genus Opeatocerata there hasn’t been any species with such a long phallus. But then other researchers later find various species more with even larger penises. Now you already have O. megalophallus with a more median penis and have to come up with new descriptive names for the other species…

EpicMuch, to oregon in Judge Finds Trump-Era Rule Allowing Old-Growth Logging Violates Federal Law

I’m shocked that a criminal president authorized and pushed for illegal actions

KingThrillgore, to technology in Scientists Are Trying to Coax the Ocean to Absorb More CO2
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Iron seeding has significant downsides

HaywardT, to technology in Scientists Are Trying to Coax the Ocean to Absorb More CO2

Isn’t this a path to creating more methane clathrates?

slacktoid, to technology in Scientists Are Trying to Coax the Ocean to Absorb More CO2
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But i thought the earth created humans because it wanted more CO2 and plastic /s

Gerudo, to technology in Scientists Are Trying to Coax the Ocean to Absorb More CO2

I just picture scientists leaning down on the bech going "pspspsps’

lvxferre, to technology in Scientists Are Trying to Coax the Ocean to Absorb More CO2
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Some scientists say CO2 removal is simply a distraction from the urgency of the climate crisis and an excuse to continue burning fossil fuels.

Bingo~

BearOfaTime,

I’m surprised you haven’t been downvoted to oblivion.

CO2 removal/credit trading was a scam from the start - so obviously that it was discussed in print at the time.

RememberTheApollo_, to technology in Scientists Are Trying to Coax the Ocean to Absorb More CO2

Yeah. We keep trying to dump stuff in the ocean, it always comes back and bites us in the ass.

Corkyskog, to technology in Scientists Are Trying to Coax the Ocean to Absorb More CO2

Maybe we could stop fucking dredging the ocean? I feel like most people missed this statistic… but ocean dredging is likely around the equivalent C02 output of the entire aviation industry.

Icalasari, to technology in Scientists Are Trying to Coax the Ocean to Absorb More CO2

Yes, let's further acidify the oceans. No way that could go wrong

lvxferre,
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The article says that “some companies are experimenting with alkaline rocks”. So it’s the opposite.

ganksy,
@ganksy@lemmy.world avatar

I think the alkaline rocks create a way to absorb the carbonic acid that comes from CO2 diluted in water.

lvxferre,
@lvxferre@mander.xyz avatar

That’s correct. And my point is that they aren’t “further acidifying” the ocean, like Icalasari said; they’re doing the exact opposite.

I’ll use the opportunity for an info dump. You potentially know what I’m going to say, but it’s for the sake of users in general.

Carbon dioxide dissolution in water can be simplified through the equation

CO₂(g) + 2H₂O(l) ⇌ H₃O⁺(aq) + HCO₃⁻(aq)
gaseous carbon dioxide + water generates (→) hydronium (“acidity”) + bicarbonate, and vice versa (←).

It’s a reversible reaction, as anyone opening a soda can knows (wait a bit and the gas GTFO and you’re left with flat soda). However, you can “force” a reversible reaction to go more into one or another direction, by messing with the amounts of substances in each side of the equation:

  • if you add more of the junk to one side, the reaction will go more towards the other side - to consume the stuff that you added
  • if you remove junk from one side, the reaction will go more towards that side - to regenerate the junk that you removed

So it’s like reactions go against whatever change you do. This is known as Le Chatelier’s principle. In a simplified way, “if you change shit the reaction tries to revert your change”.

Now. The main concern is CO₂ in the atmosphere. We don’t want it. To consume it through this reaction, we could remove acidity from the ocean. That’s actually doable by dumping some alkaline substances there, because of another equilibrium:

H₃O⁺(aq) + OH⁻(aq) ⇌ 2H₂O(l)
hydronium (“acidity”) + hydroxide (“alkalinity”) generates water, and vice versa.

So by adding alkaline substances to the sea you could remove hydronium, and by removing hydronium you’re encouraging the sea to gorge on even more carbon dioxide.

It sounds like an extremely bad idea though. Just like the two reactions that I mentioned interact with each other, there’s a bazillion other reactions doing the same. Specially when we’re talking about acidity/alkalinity (pH), it’s hard to find something where pH does not influence the outcome!

So the consequences of “let’s dump alkaline substances in the sea! What could go wrong?” might be extremely messy, and not so obvious from a first moment. Instead we’re simply better off by avoiding to add even more CO₂ to the atmosphere.

Icalasari,

Ah, so I had it the opposite way. Thanks for the explanation

Blackout, to technology in Scientists Are Trying to Coax the Ocean to Absorb More CO2
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We just need a giant box of baking soda. It will absorb anything.

Kolanaki, to technology in Scientists Are Trying to Coax the Ocean to Absorb More CO2
@Kolanaki@yiffit.net avatar

poking the sea with a stick

C’mon. Absorb more CO2.

RustyShackleford, to technology in Scientists Are Trying to Coax the Ocean to Absorb More CO2

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  • SharkAttak,
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    It's easier to convince the S.E.A. then the C.E.O.

    homesweethomeMrL, to technology in Scientists Are Trying to Coax the Ocean to Absorb More CO2

    It’s not the ocean’s fault. How about we force oil company CEOs to absorb more CO2.

    Imgonnatrythis,

    I’m not a ceo but I’m doing my part by drinking as much pellegrino as possible.

    tb_,
    @tb_@lemmy.world avatar

    Pellegrino is owned by Nestlé :c

    just_another_person, to technology in Scientists Are Trying to Coax the Ocean to Absorb More CO2

    Dumb as shit. “We have an issue, but instead of fixing it, let’s just make nature TAKE IT. TAKE IT AND LIKE IT”

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