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yuriy, to politics in Here’s Why Gen Z Voters Might Opt Out in 2024

Fuck this strawman, every single (voting age) gen z person i know has already talked about voting in this election. Even if it’s just voting for “not trump”. When one candidate is actively claiming they will operate as a dictator “day one”, you have a lot of incentive to vote. Especially when you haven’t already been living with crushed dreams for decades.

Ensign_Crab,

Especially when you haven’t already been living with crushed dreams for decades.

Yeah, Democrats haven’t worked their magic on Gen Z yet.

dual_sport_dork, to thepoliceproblem in How cops lie to coerce false confessions from kids
@dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world avatar

Don’t talk to the police, especially in an interrogation room. Ask for a lawyer. Say nothing else.

Say. Nothing. Else. Nothing.

The police are not there to help you. If you are in an interrogation room, that is because they have already decided that they are going to do everything possible and then some to pin some kind of crime – any kind of crime – on you. Even if you didn’t do it. Don’t try to explain yourself. Don’t try to “weasel out of” anything. Nothing you say to the police will help you, everything you say will be used against you.

Don’t talk to the police.

Don’t talk to the police.

Don’t talk to the police.

Don’t talk to the police.

Don’t talk to the police.

Don’t talk to the police.

cedarmesa, (edited )
@cedarmesa@lemmy.world avatar

💀

TheBaldFox,
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Semi-Hemi-Demigod,
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DougHolland,
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I love the Pot Brothers At Law.

DougHolland,
@DougHolland@lemmy.world avatar

I was expecting the Pot Brothers At Law, but this is an excellent video I’d never seen before. It ought to be seen by everyone who’s ‘invited’ to a conversation with a cop.

PM_Your_Nudes_Please,

Technically, you should say that you’re invoking your right to an attorney, and your fifth amendment right to remain silent.

Courts have ruled that if you don’t explicitly say you’re invoking your fifth amendment rights, then they don’t apply and your silence can be used against you.

Bipta,

Which is fucking crazy because the Supreme Court has also ruled that you don't really need to have your Miranda Rights read to you.

LukeMedia, (edited )

They still are required to read Miranda rights before interrogating or questioning you

EDIt: Only if you are in custody, see the response below.

Vent,

That is very false and it is a dangerous myth because it will cause people to have their guards lowered.

Police can and will ask you as many incriminating questions as they want whenever they want without mentioning anything about rights. They can even pull you aside and privately question you without Miranda rights. Miranda rights only apply under specific circumstances, which cops will purposefully avoid as much as possible.

LukeMedia,

If you are arrested or detained, they have to read you your Miranda rights before questioning you, otherwise your responses will have limited use in court due to the exclusionary clause. What they can do, and I believe is important to be more specific about, is question you without arresting or detaining you. If you aren’t arrested or detained, they don’t need to read you your rights, but once they are done questioning, they can then detain you and use your responses against you.

Key takeaways: police are not required to read your Miranda rights if you are not currently in custody. Police are not required to read your Miranda rights to arrest you. Police are required to read you your Miranda rights if you are in custody and being interrogated. If they do not read your rights, your responses during interrogation will have limited use in court. As always, the best thing to do, is invoke your 5th and lawyer up.

Vent,

Thanks for taking the time to write this! It’s valuable information everyone should know.

To reiterate for others reading: police will question you under the heavy implication that you have no choice (you do) without technically detaining you in order to avoid Miranda rights. After questioning, they can then officially arrest/detain you, still without Miranda rights, because they already got everything they needed before that point.

Pregnenolone,

It’s Shut the Fuck Up Fridays!

Semi-Hemi-Demigod, (edited ) to politics in Here’s Why Gen Z Voters Might Opt Out in 2024
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“The logic of not voting for Joe Biden in 2024 is that the Democratic Party is supposed to be accountable to young people and diverse communities.”

Such an adorable take. I used to think they were accountable, too. That they gave a shit what I thought and would do things that I approved of, or have a good reason not to. That voting actually sent a message.

Give this kid another decade and he'll be as hopeless as I am.

Then there's this guy:

“[I’ll say], ‘Hey, you want to buy a house after college, right? You want to have a good-paying job after you graduate, right? You want to be able to have access to health care?”

I really don't think voting is the best way to get these things. Especially when Democrats never talk about access to health care, just health "coverage."

What voting for Biden will get you is more boring government. That's about the only thing voting will get you that you actually want.

This kid actually gets it:

And then there’s the Electoral College. For Lillian, it’s difficult to feel like her vote matters in a state that has gone blue since 1980 and a rural county that generally swings red. "The whole [voting] thing is a symbolic gesture,” she says. “If we had a more direct voting system, I would participate more. The Electoral College is scum.”

Want people to think voting matters? Make their vote actually matter. Outside of swing states votes for president just become meaningless statistics, especially since you don't need the popular vote to win the election.

Will the silence be loud enough to create actual change in how the Democratic Party approaches the youth vote in future elections[?]

It never has been, and it never will be.

Badeendje,
@Badeendje@lemmy.world avatar

Dems not talking about healthcare is kinda not true is it? The US has the ACA and coverage means expanding who has access to the ACA and at what tarrifs.

Semi-Hemi-Demigod,
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The ACA was supposed to have a public option. But the health insurance companies got Lieberman to kill that. Now whenever I hear a Democratic politician talk about health care it’s about making sure everyone has “coverage.”

Pay very close attention when you hear them talking and you’ll hear it. But people don’t need health insurance, they need health care. And the coverage Dems keep pitching often gets between people and care.

Ensign_Crab,

But the health insurance companies got Lieberman to kill that.

It was designed to be jettisoned from the beginning. Lieberman was just the rotating villain at the time.

Gigate,

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  • Semi-Hemi-Demigod,
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    If you listened to Democratic politicians you'd think everybody loves their health insurance company and wants to have one. I just want to go to the doctor when I get sick and not go bankrupt. I want people with chronic conditions to get the things they need without fighting a company they're paying hundreds of dollars a month to.

    Health insurance is a rent-seeking industry that massively inflates our health care spending while making that care have worse outcomes. But Democrats keep insisting we want health coverage and not health care. When someone asks them about health care they immediately use "health coverage" in their response.

    Its infuriating and I hate that I have to vote for these people.

    jordanlund, to politics in Here’s Why Gen Z Voters Might Opt Out in 2024
    @jordanlund@lemmy.world avatar

    The inability to move the needle on student loan forgiveness and school shootings is going to hurt him to some degree.

    But at the same time, it’s not like Trump is going to even ATTEMPT to do anything about student loans or school shootings.

    We need to be clear with non-voters, the issues that are driving you to sit out are not the issues you should be worried about.

    Joe Biden is selling weapons to Israel! Yes, weapons they don’t actually need to commit the war crimes they are committing.

    Meanwhile Trump:

    www.cnn.com/2022/10/16/politics/…/index.html

    “No President has done more for Israel than I have.”

    Here’s what you should be worried about:

    Clarence Thomas and Samuel Alito are both well past retirement age. Trump could very well ask them to step down so he can appoint someone younger.

    He already did that with Justice Kennedy.

    vanityfair.com/…/donald-trump-justice-anthony-ken…

    That would give Trump 5 picks on the Supreme Court and lock in a dystopian nightmare of rulings for the rest of our lives.

    mateomaui,

    How has he been unable to move the needle on student loan forgiveness when substantial amount of loans have already been forgiven and more are in the works? Not being able to forgive 100% of them counts as being 100% unable to do any of it?

    This is only the most recent one

    ed.gov/…/biden-harris-administration-announces-ne…

    the only way that effort will continue is if Biden or another Dem is in office because there’s no way the GOP will help.

    jordanlund,
    @jordanlund@lemmy.world avatar

    The improvements that have been made apply to a TINY minority of people and even in that group, they may not qualify. On top of that, continuing to ask people to pay isn’t REALLY “forgiveness” now, is it?

    cnbc.com/…/how-to-qualify-for-bidens-fast-tracked…

    “The SAVE option reduces the monthly federal student loan payments for undergraduate borrowers from 10% of discretionary income to 5%, and shortens the timeline to forgiveness for those with small balances from the usual required 20 years or 25 years. Those who took out $12,000 or less in their undergraduate or graduate postsecondary studies get any remaining debt erased after just a decade.”

    So:

    We’re still going to ask you to pay, you just have to pay 5% of your income instead of 10%.

    If you took out student loans less than $12K (who DOES that?) the debt can be erased after 10 years instead of 20 to 25 years.

    That’s not forgiveness. That’s not what people are looking for.

    mateomaui,

    Reality. It sucks sometimes.

    jordanlund,
    @jordanlund@lemmy.world avatar

    That it do!

    Fades,

    You’re absolutely right, a LOT of Biden’s wins people act like it didn’t happen, and if it did and wasn’t exactly what they hoped for it’s trash, etc.

    Conservatives can do no wrong to their base, but dems must be perfection or they’re just as bad to a lot of d voters

    mateomaui,

    Pretty much. They’ve been litigating the issue and doing what they can within the constraints they have, but apparently it amounts to nothing to entitled people.

    djsoren19,

    Well yeah, conservatives are screeching lunatics who are incapable of rational thought. It’s great that most supporters of the Democrat party are critical of its many, many shortcomings and failings. I don’t think the issue is that Dems demand “perfection,” it’s that we want to see change. In my mind, erasing small pockets of student loan debt is one of the worst ways to invigorate your base, because the only people who are excited by that are the ones who just got their loans forgiven. I’m sure those people view Biden’s efforts as very successful, but you can certainly understand why all the ones who haven’t had any forgiveness think the program is a failure.

    Maybe, just maybe, if instead they were trying to systematically make higher education more affordable by changing regulations, thus reducing the need for federal student loans in the first place, people would be more generally positive. To my knowledge, there has been no work in that space by the Biden administration.

    Ensign_Crab,

    In my mind, erasing small pockets of student loan debt is one of the worst ways to invigorate your base, because the only people who are excited by that are the ones who just got their loans forgiven.

    Centrists in his own party didn’t want debt forgiveness. Kept arguing that the President couldn’t forgive student debt via executive order. Biden listened to progressives and forgave student debt broadly, like you and I both want. The Supreme Court shot it down, using arguments that centrists helpfully spent months providing them. If Biden had acted like most Democrats at this point, he would have given up forever on the issue, announced he tried, and dusted off his hands in satisfaction of a job not done.

    Biden didn’t do that. He moved on to forgiving what he could using the methods at his disposal. He didn’t give up. He’s done what I would have expected from an actual progressive in the same circumstances. Not gonna lie, it helps that it was blocked by the illegitimate conservative Supreme Court. Debt forgiveness has not been blocked by Biden’s own party (for once. yet.), but I suspect that’s due more to lack of opportunity than anything else.

    In any event, I do not fault Biden on this. He did the right thing and continues to do the right thing.

    pantyhosewimp, to politics in Here’s Why Gen Z Voters Might Opt Out in 2024

    I wonder what billionaire feudalism propaganda servitor ordered this article written? Someone from the WalMart clan? Koch Bros? Who?

    TheTurducken, to thepoliceproblem in How cops lie to coerce false confessions from kids

    Teen Vogue has chosen to produce good journalism. Good on them. Sooner or later they will get the Pulitzer they deserve.

    DougHolland,
    @DougHolland@lemmy.world avatar

    It seems wacky and you’re probably joking, but Teen Vogue has solid news and political coverage. It’s in my news surf cycle, has been for years.

    TheTurducken,

    I am not joking. They keep showing up with solid stuff.

    DougHolland,
    @DougHolland@lemmy.world avatar

    Truth. It always surprises me, but Teen Vogue rocks.

    Fashion!
    Celebrities!
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    What private equity does looks a lot like looting.

    Cornpop, to lgbtq_plus in Young LGBTQ+ People's Mental Health Is Suffering, But They Can't Access Help

    Correction: all young people’s (including LGBTQ) mental health is suffering, and they can’t access help.

    SqueakyBeaver,

    Yes, but your comment has a real “all lives matter” vibe to it

    LinkOpensChest_wav, to lgbtq_plus in Young LGBTQ+ People's Mental Health Is Suffering, But They Can't Access Help
    @LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    This is anecdotal, but this problem is so evident if you interact with LGBTQ+ youth in any capacity. I used to mod a discord server with a lot of queer teens, and they’d vent in the chat, people would tell them to get help, and they’d be like, “Can’t.”

    Then sometimes they’d message me out of desperation, and so I’d try to look up community resources for them, provide them with phone numbers and links, only for them to encounter further barriers, one of the big ones being lack of money, transportation, and parental support. Not to mention making sure the provider is an ally – lots of “Christian” providers out there who could do more harm than good.

    Even as an adult with an income, it’s fucking hard to access mental healthcare, but it’s much, much worse for youth. The situation is dire, and I’d like to shake parents and guardians who don’t at a bare minimum support these kids and try to get them support and help them navigate the horrible system.

    zea_64,

    I wish child abuse/neglect was illegal.

    LinkOpensChest_wav,
    @LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    Yeah truth. Child abuse and neglect are perfectly legal and in some cases even sanctioned by the state, as long as it’s the “right” kind of abuse.

    zea_64,

    I’m barely alive and my parents are fine, if they were abusive I’d be long dead. I’m sure the legislators are very sad I survived.

    LinkOpensChest_wav,
    @LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    I had good parents too, and it was still absolute hell growing up here

    I’ve never had kids of my own, but I can’t fathom making one’s own child feel invalid in any way, much less neglecting their health and well-being

    MossyFeathers, to transgender in Transvestigation: What to Know About the Bizarre and Transphobic Conspiracy Theory

    I’m kind surprised people haven’t picked this up and started doing it ironically. It seems right up Tumblr’s alley to jokingly create conspiracies about different celebrities of being trans.

    vzq, to ghazi in The Transphobic Online Investigators Trying to Prove that Every Celebrity is Secretly Trans

    Fucking transvestigators everywhere.

    andrewrgross, to world in 17-Year-Old Palestinian-American Killed in Occupied West Bank by Off-Duty Israeli Forces

    It’s so painful to read. I’m glad Tawfic’s sorry is getting some coverage in the US. It’s not enough, but it’s more than what most people who die in these pogroms get.

    We need an entirely new policy. This is unconscionable.

    marxistsynths19, to politics in Here’s Why Gen Z Voters Might Opt Out in 2024

    Let the fall of the American empire begin. If we think our way of Life is worth fighting for then we’re gonna actually have to fight for it.

    inclementimmigrant, to politics in Here’s Why Gen Z Voters Might Opt Out in 2024

    It isn’t just Gen Z. My own parents are tired of the bullshit, lesser of two complete won’t do fuck all for Americans and are talking about opting out of 2024 because they don’t want an old guy doing not a lot of them in middle America but don’t want to vote for a criminal racist either.

    That was a fun conversation about how you don’t have to like the old guy, I don’t really either, but fuck me if you’ll roll over and let a literal fucking Nazi in the office by not voting for ineffective.

    LifeOfChance, to politics in Here’s Why Gen Z Voters Might Opt Out in 2024

    It’s definitely not the majority but having spoken with my cousin and his friends I get it. Why even bother voting things aren’t getting better so why try? Voting for the best of the worst is just defeating as you know you’ll still be working 2 or 3 jobs just to put food on the table. Plus people literally can’t afford to take time off to go vote they need the money. Some of them are trying to support their sick parents or even kids.

    Whatsit_Tooya,

    Because of Project 2025 and what that would mean for the future should Trump & Co. win.

    rbesfe,

    This logic would apply in past elections, but when an authoritarian fascist is banging at the door everyone has a responsibility to actively hold it shut

    adrian783,

    because things can get much much worse? also mail in ballots exist?

    Cowbee, to politics in Here’s Why Gen Z Voters Might Opt Out in 2024

    As a leftist, it’s important to accept that the Dems will never, ever, ever move to the left unless there’s massive grassroots organization such as Unionization and Socialists winning local elections.

    People who abstain from voting as protest, however, still think ironically that voting is anything other than loss prevention. If everyone sits out and protests, literally everyone on the Dem side and Trump wins in a landslide, and Trump manages to keep elections for 2028, the Dems still won’t move to the left.

    That’s why voting as a leftist is about loss prevention, rather than gaining material change. The movement leftward comes from upsetting the entire 2 party process by flipping the table itself. Mass Unionization and taking of key seats is exactly how you (non-violently) upset the process and force concessions or enable third party to be theoretically viable.

    Until then, however, any leftist not voting Dem in the federal election is sorely misguided.

    Blackbeard,
    @Blackbeard@lemmy.world avatar

    I agree completely, and I’d argue that the consistent inability of the youth to mobilize at any point in the past 100 years has been a major contributing factor that keeps the Democrats from caring much what they think. For better or worse, if you abstain, you prove that you’re not worth the effort. Every time they try something big like MTV’s Rock the Vote campaign in the 1990s, they get burned by the lowest youth turnout in the modern era. Obama targeted Millennial voters hard, but it turns out his victories had more to do with swaying young voters than driving more turnout. Midterm youth turnout literally , and 2018 was the first time Millennials got even .

    When the left sits out, the right wins. And when voters sit out, parties leave them behind. Political parties will chase likely voters every single time, and if you’re not a voter, your opinion doesn’t even register to the leaders of this country. How even could it, if you don’t participate?!

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