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Frog-Brawler, to thepoliceproblem in They shot at police. Were they 'standing their ground'?
Frog-Brawler avatar

It’s not legal to break into peoples’ homes, and if cops or anyone else decides to do it with a weapon… that’s pretty much exactly what stand your ground exists for.

Sounds like a “not guilty” to me, and maybe next time the 4 cops that didn’t get killed will take a different approach.

Talaraine,
Talaraine avatar

This right here. Activist juries are the only way forward through this stupid shit. They aren't listening otherwise.

Abird1620,

Interestingly, depending on the state, no-knock warrants are used for situations that could be considered “high-risk” for officers. I’m not arguing whether or not it should be legal. I’m just say that as of now, many states allow no-knock warrants.

ShittyBeatlesFCPres, to thepoliceproblem in They shot at police. Were they 'standing their ground'?

No-knock raids for small time drug dealers is just a ridiculous idea. I can’t think of many scenarios where they do make sense at a private residence. If someone has such a small operation that they can get rid of all the evidence in one flush, they aren’t worth sending a SWAT team (and risking everyone’s life) for in the first place.

Like if it’s one guy suspected of dealing out of his only house, just wait until he goes to put the trash out or something wearing slippers and a bathrobe and have one cop roll up and say, “Hi, I’m Officer Smith. We have a warrant to search your house.” and then radio to your van full of colleagues a few blocks away. Achievement Unlocked: De-escalation.

JJROKCZ,

Yea but that doesn’t give them a chance to use all their military surplus breach and clear gear

CADmonkey,

Imagine if swat showed up to a house that had a car bomb in the driveway. Might temper that zeal a little bit.

snooggums, to thepoliceproblem in They shot at police. Were they 'standing their ground'?
snooggums avatar

At least the cop died doing what he loved.

Ruining people's lives over tiny amounts of what might possibly be drugs.

BrotherL0v3, to thepoliceproblem in They shot at police. Were they 'standing their ground'?

Police found “approximately one gram of suspected cocaine” on the property, according to The New York Times.

  1. One gram is a tiny amount of anything. Being in the same room as Charlie Sheen probably gets 1g of cocaine on your clothes. /s
  2. “Approximately” is doing a lot of lifting if we’re already talking about such a small amount.
  3. “Suspected” doesn’t mean much. Did they find some white powder and just bag it up? Did they swab it with one of those in famously shitty field testing kits?

Say what you will about the guy outside of that, but pigs kicking in a guy’s door and finding “maybe a quarter teaspoon of probably drugs” smells like bullshit.

TropicalDingdong,

Does any one know the street value of 1 g of suspected cocaine?

baldingpudenda,

About $10 to a high school kid, along with a $20 bag of oregano

sramder,
@sramder@lemmy.world avatar

It varies by location/quality/etc but under $50 USD, probably a lot less in most cases.

CADmonkey,

Less than the money spent on fuel to get the police vehicles to the victim’s house.

SzethFriendOfNimi, to thepoliceproblem in Mississippi courts won't say how they provide lawyers for poor clients
givesomefucks, to politics in A Texas Jail Delayed My Prenatal Care to Keep Costs Down. Then I Had a Miscarriage.

So…

According to Texas republicans if a mother does something to stop a pregnancy it’s a crime.

Shouldn’t there be charges here against the prison staff for at least manslaughter?

SulaymanF,

Texas politicians should either admit that they care more about cheaper government over unborn life, or prosecute.

They’ll probably do neither.

gAlienLifeform,
@gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world avatar

They don’t care about hypocrisy, they only care about hurting the “right people”. They’ll never admit it, but this is the system working exactly as intended.

ickplant,
@ickplant@lemmy.world avatar

Exactly, as soon as one realizes that it’s a system based on cruelty and hurting “the right people,” everything falls into place and makes sense.

axtualdave,

It’s also why trying to appeal to their better nature, or “Why don’t you want to make things better?” is never going to work. While they want to have the argument, it’s not an honest one. They’re just using the opportunity to argue to distract you from the fact they’re quite happy the way things are, and their only goal is to stop you from making changes.

Dark_Arc, to news in He Faces Execution. His Lawyers May Have Earned Less Than $4 an Hour.
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BrokenGlepnir, to news in He Faces Execution. His Lawyers May Have Earned Less Than $4 an Hour.

Assuming they spent those hours. I feel they couldn’t have survived had they actually done that, and not spent that time on other cases.

Pretzilla, (edited ) to news in He Faces Execution. His Lawyers May Have Earned Less Than $4 an Hour.

Passed tense. They already killed him.

otp, to news in He Faces Execution. His Lawyers May Have Earned Less Than $4 an Hour.

I don’t understand why this guy murdering two people gets him the death penalty, but the US has tons of mass shootings, school shootings, serial killers, and other killers of multiple people.

What made this case so special?

BakerBagel,

He plead guilty and his public defenders didnt get paid shit, so the state AG can say that he is tough in crime.

otp,

God damn. What a messed up place.

BakerBagel,
just_change_it,

I don’t understand why this guy murdering two people gets him the death penalty

Missouri.

otp,

I think The Beatles have a song about that. One of their earlier ones. I am in Missouri!

Rentlar,

I am in Missouri, there ain’t nobody who can comfort me…

  • totally Bruno Mars
PriorityMotif,
@PriorityMotif@lemmy.world avatar

Not every state has the death penalty and certain states love using it.

snooggums, to news in He Faces Execution. His Lawyers May Have Earned Less Than $4 an Hour.
@snooggums@midwest.social avatar

The man did terrible things, but appears to have reformed and would be spending the last couple of decades in jail anyway. There is no justice in putting him through the execution process which is regularly botched other than cruelty.

Yet another example of the systemic problems with our legal system. It is set up in ways the incentivize punishment and actively prevents rehabilitation.

Omegamanthethird,
@Omegamanthethird@lemmy.world avatar

The death penalty is in no way helpful to the justice system. Allowing it only gives the government permission to murder. I view it about the same as a gang murder when someone is getting even.

gAlienLifeform,
@gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world avatar

The man did terrible things

Maybe, but I’m not even convinced of that at this point. The police got a confession out of him for this and he pled guilty, but later on has said that he has no memory of actually committing the crime (It seems confirmed that he was a crack cocaine user at the time and it seems possible that he had a history of head injuries, which just makes all of this even murkier).

snooggums,
@snooggums@midwest.social avatar

Although he claims a lack of memory of the crime, that was for a defense against the death penalty as a punishent which requires intent. He doesn’t deny that he did it.

Omegamanthethird, to news in He Faces Execution. His Lawyers May Have Earned Less Than $4 an Hour.
@Omegamanthethird@lemmy.world avatar

That headline sounds really weird until you read more. Basically his lawyers were paid one lump sum by the state, incentivizing spending as little time as possible on the case.

gAlienLifeform,
@gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world avatar

Yep, and that background is a very likely answer to the question, “How can somebody plead guilty and still get the death penalty?”

BigMikeInAustin, to news in How Mississippi’s Jim Crow Laws Still Haunt Black Voters Today

So, no, I didn’t read it. But from that quick blurb, that’s what happened in Florida. Voters voted to return voting rights to felons after their sentence was complete. The Republican run Florida government overruled what the people voted for and kept ex-felons from voting.

(Based on my last understanding of about 2 or 3 years ago when this happened.)

dogslayeggs,

No, this is different. They still haven’t voted on it. The state House has voted to remove it twice, but it has failed in the state Senate (not even going to a vote, because the chair won’t take it out of committee).

In FL, the people voted for it, but the government implemented it with almost impossible-to-bypass rules. Anyone convicted of a crime must pay all fines/fees before they are allowed to vote, but there is nowhere (no office, no website) that will tell you what you owe or how to pay it. And if you try to vote when you owe something, that’s a crime. So a person who was in prison for a few years will have some fees racked up but have no way to know what they owe or how to pay it. If they try to vote, they are committing another crime.

BigMikeInAustin,

Thank you for the extra information! (Not sarcasm)

stevedidwhat_infosec, to news in How Federal Prisons Are Getting Worse: Government watchdog agencies found hundreds of preventable deaths and excessive use of solitary confinement.

Surely this will get better with Donald trump as president lmao

Cosmonauticus,

Every president since the start of mass incarceration is responsible for this. All things considered it probably won’t get better under Biden either. Americans have had a hard on for punishing ppl (mainly brown ppl) guilty or not and claiming you’ll make prisons more humane will probably lose you an election

stevedidwhat_infosec,

So knowing what we know about Donald trump do we think he’d make anything neutral or better or is he (again, knowing the type of person he is and even claims to be) going to make things worse

Waters are pretty clear here to me

Cosmonauticus,

Why is it impossible to hold our leaders accountable without it turning into an evil dick measuring contest? Trump is bad. We ALL know it but we should hold Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush Jr, Obama, Trump, and Biden accountable for our fucked up prison system. If you compare everything to if Trump was I’m charge it gives you free range to do practically anything.

TRUMP IS NOT THE BAR

stevedidwhat_infosec, (edited )

Trump is very much the bar and a bar that has always existed. He’s literally the embodiment of American ideological laziness.

The dude is barely younger than Biden and hardly any better mentally and yet the majority of the nation voted for him. That’s fact. That’s reality. People are so easily swayed, so done with trad politicians, so done with overreaching social reforms and no support for the people it leaves in a power vacuum that they’d

WILLINGLY

vote for the dude that LEAST represents them from a class point. Despite the grand majority of problems in America being due to affordability and affordability alone. That is DIRECTLY representative of the populations thoughts and opinions at this time.

I get that voting “under the gun” is stupid and breaks democracy. But until you can convince me that you’ll get other Americans to align their vote more strictly against their own morals and values and their own morals and values alone, the threat of people like trump and their supporters are very much real. I cannot possibly see how you’d think otherwise in the face of literal evidence but I’m here for a good convo with a stranger so I’m ready! ^_^

agitatedpotato, to news in How Federal Prisons Are Getting Worse: Government watchdog agencies found hundreds of preventable deaths and excessive use of solitary confinement.

I’m familiar with a CO and the classes of trainees are getting dramatically smaller. The pay he gets is amazing but few are lining up for the work, so when it comes time to hire, even Prisons looking for good people will strugle to find them, and they’re not all looking for good people. I hear stories of how good COs end up being a real thorn in the side of administration. There are layers and layers of problems going on with prisons, it can be very disheartening.

BakerBagel,

I can’t believe having the world’s largest prison population is causing so many issues for our government. The issue isn’t prison guards, it’s the locking up of millions of people rather than addressing systemic issues in our society.

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