@dorgaldir@actuallyautistic My biggest problem with tests in school was interpreting the damn questions (& multiple choice answers) in the way they were supposedly intended vs the infinite permutations of nuance & “but what if instead” logics swirling in my cranium
@zyd@dorgaldir@actuallyautistic how can 10 minutes past 11:00 be 12:10? Even if it were " 10 past the hour" and the hour is 11:00, it still would be 11:10, right?
I'm sorry I find this confusing, might be the autism tho
@miss__Tery@dorgaldir@actuallyautistic Well, I've always hated the phrasing so could just be me but it can be understood as either "10 past the hour" meaning 10 minutes after thr current hour, 11:10, or "10 minutes after the hour" which I've always thought meant 10 mintutes after the next hour, so 12:10. I hate language.
@zyd@miss__Tery@dorgaldir@actuallyautistic my guess would be that the teacher was wanting a sketch of an analogue, not digital, clock showing the time as 11:10 - but the child clearly answered the question (as written) correctly
@alstonvicar@zyd@miss__Tery@dorgaldir@actuallyautistic I think this test is probably from a unit about reading analog clock faces, so that context is probably how it got marked wrong. Still a shitty thing to do when instructions aren't clear, but the solution would require individual interaction ("show me you can do this with an analog face and I'll mark it correct")
@miss__Tery@dorgaldir@actuallyautistic Oh wait I myself misread it, they're asking for a literal drawing of a clock lol. Misreading an ambiguity into the post! Hah
@miss__Tery@zyd@dorgaldir@actuallyautistic The neurotypical style is to start by asking WHY the question was asked, and work backwards to figure out what the question means. In this case, you're supposed to realise that the point of the question is to test what you've learned in maths class, and you're supposed to remember that all the clocks discussed in class were analogue, so the teacher must want you to draw an analogue clock.
Well that's a bad question if the answer given isn't considered correct, because it is 10 past 11 on a small clock. If I drew an analogue clock and the angle to the 2 wasn't exactly 60 degrees, would I be wrong? And would the hour hand have had to move 1/6 the way between the 11 and 12 for it to be correct?
I have more questions than answers for this teacher.
@zyd@miss__Tery@dorgaldir@actuallyautistic No, they expected the student to draw an analog clock instead of a digital one, but didn't include that in the prompt. Then they behaved like a dick by marking a correct answer wrong.
@twan@actuallyautistic@encthenet@miss__Tery@dorgaldir Even if the whole week of class had been about how to read an analog clock — which would’ve made the context for the question obvious to most — it makes more sense to praise the kid for creative, lateral thinking, but give them a chance to provide the right answer with an analog clock face.
That instruction should have been more specific. Analog would have been a nice bit of information about the desired clock. I hope some of the students argued about missing the question.
@Vincarsi@dorgaldir@actuallyautistic like thank you for that clarification, but seriously wtf. just say that??? is it really so hard to say "with a minute and hour hand, show 10 minutes past 11"?????
I know this is entirely The Point just. damn.
@gothodile@dorgaldir@actuallyautistic It's possible that the context of the test made it more clear. Hard to say when it's been clipped like that. But the point does stand
This picture is very weird to me, the #MiniCog is an instrument for assessing possible #cognitive decline in clinical practice. Part of the MiniCog is asking the person to fill in a round clock face with appropriate numbers and arms indicating "10 minutes past 11". Cognitive impairment can show up as in appropriately arranged numbers, bad spacing, arms pointed at the incorrect numbers, stuff like that. All of it gets scored along with a three word memory recall as an assessment.
Not kids. That's not where the 10 minutes past 11 language is used as far as I know.
It's just a weird meme.
Back when I was teaching, this would've been a correct answer, because as the author of the question, I failed to specify. If you're teaching (especially in math class), precision matters!
Asking good, meaningful, precise questions is a remarkably difficult skill.
@dorgaldir so much yes. This kid answered the question with a perfectly legitimate answer. If you wanted them to use an analog clock why didn’t you ask for that?!
@dorgaldir Those students have a middle-school teacher who isn't much of a teacher. Most kids think of a radio alarm, or the readout on a microwave, or DVD player, as a clock. Not the round thing with the hands. Their phone, or their tablet has a digital readout. Did she specify ANALOG?🙄@actuallyautistic
@dorgaldir@actuallyautistic I'm an autist and I know VAUGLY how to do it and I suck at it, mainly my question is what is even the point of Analogue clocks anymore lol digital is just better in everyway.
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