Uh oh. My more recent experiences with #Lemmy and by proxy #Kbin are becoming increasingly like they were with Reddit (not good). What's the deal with that? Why is the discourse I find on #Mastodon so much more positive and productive than there? Is it an influx of ex-Reddit users bringing bad habits and negative energy with them? Is it the actual software; the format; the layout? What is it? #Fediverse
@wednesday It's funny you should mention that! I love the general principle of the Fediverse, and I just joined #Beehaw as a result of these thoughts of mine (and folks replying here with interesting points like yours!) - and posted this (rather long!) comment on there which perhaps gives a little more context: https://beehaw.org/comment/910283
Ooh now #Beehaw does seem to encourage a different culture, which seems very promising! All I'd heard about them until now was folks complaining they'd defederated from instances with an influx of users from Reddit. And yet now that makes even more sense in retrospect!
I suspect it’s the people, largely because the migration event was sparked by convenience (3rd party apps dying) while the Twitter migration was cultural/political.
I’ve heard from a mod that runs both a lemmy and masto instance that they can see the differences in cultural heritage.
But also, an impersonal platform can maybe lead to impoliteness (if that’s the sort of thing you’re referring to)?
@maegul@MediaActivist maybe it's also because you can choose what and who you see on Mastodon? On Kbin I follow magazines and have no control over who posts to those magazines.
Currently everything I see seems to be posted by PugJesus, though, so it's almost like they are my feed :)
Yea. On lemmy at least (I’m sure on kbin too) you can block users. But, that’s opt-out not in.
IMO a combination of true person-following and community-following into a single platform or feed manager with nice QoL features would be a great way to consume the Fedi. AFAIU, kbin isn’t there.
@maegul@MediaActivist Then I imagine it very much depends on one's instance and communities. The first is true of Mastodon as well.
I suspect that, like with the Twitter migration, it's largely not Reddit's culture people are fleeing, though. It's their policies. Mastodon had a chance to establish a culture of its own before the Twitter migration, which seems to be less true of Lemmy and kbin
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I have yet to get properly into Lemmy but there does seem to be a lot more discussion or purpose and boundaries there...almost but not quite gatekeeping.
I never used Reddit much but I suspect the idea with Lemmy is similar - you need to follow / participate in specific communities - and each will have its own character.
@JoeP I've used Reddit and Lemmy for a while now and I'd say the opposite is true. The whole "debate me bro" downvote culture seems to be the default premise. Whereas on Mastodon those types know they won't be platformed or barely even seen.
@JoeP I do wonder about the format - the passive-aggressive downvote culture on posts, the dismissive language and willingness to shit on inoffensive, innocuous, simple opinion-based posts that they don't agree with like it's some sort of sport, even within the rules. And in fairness, that was typical of Reddit, and only seems to have taken over Lemmy in recent weeks.
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