whotookkarl,
@whotookkarl@lemmy.world avatar

Interferometers are moving to space launches, maybe colliders need to do the same if they keep growing bigger

crapwittyname,

Would be a fucking nightmare to keep that in any kind of stable orbit.

Entropywins,

Just tie some string to it…

efstajas, (edited )

Just build it as a big ring all the way around the earth

whotookkarl,
@whotookkarl@lemmy.world avatar

Let’s show Saturn who can do rings better

Kiosade,

This is starting to turn into some Full Metal Alchemist shit. If you know, you know.

The_Picard_Maneuver,
@The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world avatar

They say Sloth has already started on the largest tunnel in secret.

PresidentCamacho,

…what a drag…

thirteene,

I’ll be concerned when it’s the same size as the eclipse’s shadow

rbos,
@rbos@lemmy.ca avatar

NGL though, how great would it be if we could get a neutrino detector big enough to image the moon with the sun as a neutrino source?

thirteene,

Well it was about that time i realized this user was a homunculus in a flask. Get of here homunculus, you ain’t taking my soul.

huquad,

Naa, more like steins gate.

KillingTimeItself,

we almost built a really fucking big collider in the US somewhere in the middle of fuck off land texas.

It died.

nexguy,
@nexguy@lemmy.world avatar

There was an auto-body shop in that town all ready to go…Super Collider Collison Repair

Rip small aoto-body business sign.

AlexWIWA,

I bet the US public would vote to fund it if we actually called it Fucking Big Collider and it was the largest in the world.

KillingTimeItself,

oh for sure.

AlexWIWA,

That’d be the easiest vote of my life tbh

KillingTimeItself,

you’re telling me i can shitpost with 20 billion dollars? Don’t mind if i yes!

AlexWIWA,

Yes absolutely.

troglodytis,

Yep, that was when the US jumped the shark. It was the exact moment, Oct 20, 1993, we went “fuck science, we’re only doing short term profits now.”

niktemadur,

This would have created a strong science hub and community in Texas, a real reason for the state to be proud of itself, looking towards the future like it did in the 1960s, and that was due to the Democrats with LBJ.
Now instead, they got assault rifle-totin’, shit-kicking knuckle-draggers for life, as the whole place builds up inertia sinking into a festering swamp of its’ own ignorance.

KillingTimeItself,

yeah, would be interesting to see the alternate universe where it was finished and built…

niktemadur,

There would have been t-shirts
EVERYTHING’S BIGGER IN TEXAS
INCLUDING SUPERCOLLIDERS

Would we have never heard the end of republicans bitching and whining about the cost and “our taxpayer dollars” and all that idiocy?

Who knows, considering Texan lawmakers carry an outsized weight in the republican party, and this project meant thousands upon thousands of skilled, high-paying jobs, including creating large new communities populated by scientists from all over the world.

Then after beating CERN to the punch to first detect the Higgs Boson, they would have draped themselves in the flag while chanting USA, USA, USA…

But ignorance and myopia are the horses pulling the republican cart.

KillingTimeItself,

gotta love politics, only the most interesting of all the boring fields put together!

33550336,
@33550336@lemmy.world avatar

We fucked, we need 60s back (with all the mindset).

KillingTimeItself,

well i mean to be fair, it was also on a really big boon of massive military spending, and the debt was a significant problem, plus this was like a fucking massive collider for the time, and probably even now.

The sheer cost alone of it i think was like 20 billion dollars near the tail end of development, not to mention they had basically redesigned the entire fucking thing by that point since they had dropped an entire team. It was a fucking mess.

troglodytis, (edited )

Right! Think of those quarters’ balance sheets!

Scientific progress? Peoples bonuses were on the line

Edit: it’s good that our government protected America and left innovation to Europe

KillingTimeItself,

yeah unfortunately the public and government just weren’t very perceptive to a massive scientific project which would almost certainly many times overrun the budget outlined for it. Socioeconomics are hard…

Zink,

wtfhappenedin1971.com

It only took a couple decades for that whole greedy evil movement to dictate such big decisions.

mokus,

Stairway to Heaven?

MacNCheezus,
@MacNCheezus@lemmy.today avatar

The Apollo 14 moon landing?

HootinNHollerin,

As one might guess, the republicans canceled it

troglodytis,
Liz,

By accident, which is just straight-up embarrassing. They voted the wrong way by accident and then never fixed it.

HootinNHollerin,

Haven’t heard of that but i definitely saw debate with R congressman saying basically “why should US pay for it let’s let Europe pay for it”

brbposting,

Really?!

Liz,

youtu.be/40YIIaF1qiw

Sometime after the 30 minute mark NDT bitches about it.

PriorityMotif,
@PriorityMotif@lemmy.world avatar

What would happen if we put a small collider inside of a bigger collider and spun it around while it spun around?

lath,

We recreate an atom?

logan_hero,
zout,

"Yo dawg, I heard you like colliders, so we built a collider into your collider so it can collide while it collides...."

nxdefiant,

SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD QUESTION 22 BILLION DOLLARS WOULD ANSWER.

silver_wings_of_morning,

You are asking something different, but I think it’s interesting to mention that the particles that go into the LHC don’t start there. The LHC gets them from the SPS, which gets them from the PS and this keeps going for a few more steps.

Kolanaki,
@Kolanaki@yiffit.net avatar

What if they added smaller loops along the main loop, like a roller coaster with loopdy-loops? 🤔

Hobbes_Dent,

You find a whee! little boson.

TachyonTele,

Ahh yes, the infamous Dadjoke particle

x4740N,
@x4740N@lemmy.world avatar

Now that you’ve said this I want to know if other shapes without corners are possible

But also why do they need a bigger collider

Summzashi,

More speed probably

Kolanaki,
@Kolanaki@yiffit.net avatar

Now that you’ve said this I want to know if other shapes without corners are possible

The squircle :)

cynar,

There will be.

Colliders work best at specific speeds, like gears on a car. The big collider is fed by a smaller one. That one is likely fed by an even smaller one. Eventually, you get small enough that a simple linear accelerator can get the gas up to speed.

Oh, and likely a scientist/engineer grinning manically as they “push the trigger” on the largest rail gun in existence.

peopleproblems,

Even the ones not pushing the trigger on the biggest rail gun in existence do this.

The doctors do too. It’s… Concerning if you don’t know why they get so excited.

cynar,

The difference between science, and blowing shit up, is in the recording.

leavemealone,

Gotta do it before trisolarians come for us.

Defectus,

Those goddam sophons keeps jacking up our shit

ThePyroPython,

You just know the letters of the FCC originally stood for Fucking Collosal Collider.

hperrin,

No, it was the Large Hardon Collider, and this is the Fat Cock Collider.

ThePyroPython,

Contractor, scratching head:

Hey boss, are you sure they got the dimensions right in this drawing of their new proton smasher?

Next to the scale it just says “GIRTHY”.

rockerface,

And from there, we’re one step closer to BFG

Turious,

I feel like this should be required watching for anyone who wants to better understand colliders and the politics around them. BobbyBroccoli made this series on the development of some of them.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivVzGpznw1U

Anticorp,

I don’t want to learn science from someone named BobbyBroccoli.

RealFknNito,
@RealFknNito@lemmy.world avatar

Bill Nye is literally just called the science guy and we got invaluable information from him.

Kusimulkku,

Well maybe I’ll call up Broccoli Man if I need info on Broccoli

Turious,

How convenient; you won’t be learning science! You’ll be learning history!

Anticorp,

Yay!

Shotgun_Alice,

Bold claim from a monkey puppet, jk. I’ve watched his channel it’s really good. I found the videos on the collider to be really interesting.

Anticorp,
niktemadur,

How about Robby Ravioli instead?

Ultraviolet,

Of course it was fucking Reagan.

irreticent,
@irreticent@lemmy.world avatar

Hopefully without lube.

CptEnder,

Also that West Wing episode where a physicist is trying to get funding for our Collider and the staffer is like “what does it do? What practical applications does it have?” and the physicist says none. It’s practical application is discovery. That we discovered penicillin on accident not when we were researching practical applications of injections.

magnetosphere,
@magnetosphere@fedia.io avatar

As much as I love science, and I’d much rather see billions spent on a collider than war, I gotta admit this is funny as hell.

MrJameGumb,
@MrJameGumb@lemmy.world avatar

The way it’s typed out makes it sound like a Vince Russo quote lol

ID411,

“Ok, but what does this collider do, that the one you have in the garage won’t do ?”

Mrs Cern.

nmhforlife,

We have a perfectly good collider at home.

Semi_Hemi_Demigod,
@Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world avatar
AA5B,

Should have had. That was sad when we gave that up in favor of military spending

However, it also wouldn’t have been as big

ToxaKniotee,

I think it was more due to the ISS, Reagan only wanted one international science project

SpaceNoodle,

Meanwhile, Star Wars.

VindictiveJudge,
@VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world avatar

Our collider is now two baseball pitchers aimed at each other.

PunnyName,

As a former Texan, yes that’s a city name. And you’ll probably pronounce it correctly.

VindictiveJudge,
@VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world avatar

Wax-a-hatch-y?

KISSmyOSFeddit,

Wax a haji

Kusimulkku,

After 22.5 km (14 mi) of tunnel had been bored and about US$2 billion spent, the project was canceled by the US Congress in 1993.

LMAO

remotelove, (edited )

Shit Sabine Hossenfelder would say. (She funny tho…)

Edit: I had no idea about her questionable actions so that is news to me.

teft,
@teft@lemmy.world avatar

She also did an interview with a holocaust denier so…

remotelove,

Ok, that I didn’t know. Off to find some references.

(I have fairly strong opinions about people like that. Hell, I refuse to watch any Tom Cruise movies because of his association with scientology, just as an example.)

dojan,
@dojan@lemmy.world avatar

Oh ew, really? I’m not overly surprised to be honest, her video on trans people was awful.

Prunebutt,

That means you missed her video on how capitalism is good actually. It’s about as horrid as you’d expect.

SrTobi,

But I feel after that, she has mostly stuck to physics stuff right?

PunnyName,

Is she the reincarnation of Ayn Rand?

Prunebutt,

Not that bad. She’s still dapable of logical conclusions. Just ignorant, really…

dojan,
@dojan@lemmy.world avatar

Oh is this the one where she claims that without capitalism there’d be no innovation?

Prunebutt,

Yeah, and she doesn’t properly explain what it is, reproduces the barter myth, etc.

b000rg,

Absolutely horrendous. I stopped watching her after that. I don’t care if it was good intentioned or not, she obviously should have expanded her understanding of the topic before presenting herself as an expert on it, and that makes me wonder how many other topics she covers in this way.

partial_accumen,

I didn’t see that one on her view of trans people, but her recent one on nuclear power was nearly biased and selective enough to be called “disinformation”.

dojan,
@dojan@lemmy.world avatar

Honestly the intro of it was enough for me to click out of it initially. She says

On the one side you have people claiming that it’s a socially contagious fad among the brainwashed woke who want to mutilate your innocent children. On the other side there are those saying that it’s saving the lives of minorities who’ve been forced to stay in the closet for too long. And then there are normal people, like you and I, who think both sides are crazy and could someone please summarise the facts in simple words, which is what I’m here for.

As a cis-man, I detest the notion that wanting trans people to have access to healthcare and equal human rights to the rest of us is in any way “crazy.”

She further goes on to cite a disputed article in an open-access journal regarding rapid-onset gender dysphoria from a known biased source as though it carries actual weight.

The article in question basically claims that rapid-onset gender dysphoria is an actual phenomenon because the author polled parents of children on a transphobic forum, about whether or not the child “becoming trans” was a sudden event. There are multiple problems with this

  • The parents are the source of supposed truth
  • The parents likely have an inherent bias (being that they are on a transphobic forum)

It is possible - and in my opinion - plausible that the parents experience it as having a “rapid onset” because the children spent a lot of time hiding this aspect of themselves from the parents because the parents express LGBT+ phobic views. I concealed many parts of my personality from my abusive mother, and I know several trans people who didn’t come out to their parents until such a time they felt it safe to do so.

From the parents perspective their kid moved out (e.g. to uni) and spontaneously changed gender from one day to the next, but at that stage their friends had been referring to them by their chosen names and pronouns for years.

dojan, (edited )
@dojan@lemmy.world avatar

This is what I took away from it as well. The fact that she so readily quoted really biased and disputed articles and presented them as though they carried as much weight as the actual science sat really wrong with me. She clearly didn’t spend very long looking into the articles she presented.

It makes me think of LLMs, really. She talks with authority about a lot of subjects, but ultimately she’s a physicist. Sure, she’s scientifically literate and that can be used to make sense of articles and studies in other disciplines, at least to an extent. However, it doesn’t make her an authority in any of those disciplines. Then there’s the time constraint to keep in mind as well; she might be able to analyse the literature and give a sensible take on the matter, but not when her schedule involves making one ~5 minute video on any given topic per day.

niktemadur,

The titles on some of her videos manage to be too fishy for my taste, they appear a lot on my feed due to watching a lot of videos from channels like PBS Spacetime and The History Of The Universe, stuff like that.

You can tell that she knows her stuff, but clickbait titles somewhat like, I paraphrase here: “A year ago I lost my faith in science, here’s why”, raise my suspicions and I move on without clicking. Right on the blurry edge between science and something else beyond that line, something that’s not quite legit and not good for you.

teft,
@teft@lemmy.world avatar

Same for me. I had watched one video of hers because I watch those same channels and afterwards i looked her up and saw the controversial shit. The clickbait doesn’t help her image either. Hard pass for me.

niktemadur,

This is the conversation I needed to finally block (or “not recommend”, or whatever YouTube calls it) her videos on my feed.

Astrum also sometimes gives me an uneasy feeling, but so far the content appears to be solid, although I don’t watch all his videos.

Hey, let me recommend one of the best channels out there in the vast sea of science/history YouTube content, the name is ParallaxNick.
He’s been doing incredibly well-research videos on the history of astronomy, recently he’s been doing a series that went into detail on Copernicus, Tycho Brahe, Kepler and Galileo, I suspect (fingers crossed tight) he’s gonna follow with Newton, then Huygens, Halley and the Herschels.

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