After a week or so on Threads I can say it: @Gargron, please never introduce the quote toot or however it is called now. I like it for the jokes but it is not worth it
Quote tweet + algorithmic timeline + scale = my brain hurts after 5 minutes scrolling. It is the most effective way to limit the time spent on a social tho
@prex I can't speak to it in detail, as I am not black myself, but my general understanding is that it's largely about the act of amplifying others' voices being deeply engrained in those communities. Examples of this can apparently be seen in places like hip hop, like "rap battles" and sampling where one artist builds on the contributions of the other. Others have explained it far more eloquently and accurately. I've been told it comes from their inherent reliance on each other to spread their culture, and things like the call and response format used in black community Church gospel
@prex when black Twitter came to mastodon, and were eventually forced to leave, this is one of the things that was called out as a reason. They expressed a desire for qt and were dismissed outright ("this discussion was already had") by the mostly-white lgbtq+ folks that built much of the early mastodon and fediverse infrastructure; they were told that personal safety was the primary factor. This makes sense for the lgbtq+ community, but for the black community it was, in effect, a form of silencing uncomfortable commentary. Black Twitter called it a great example of how systemic racism manifests
@neatchee thanks for the background! I don't find the argument very convincing but then again I'm not part of those subcultures, and I get it can be annoying.
I was thinking about the issue of QT a bit more earlier and I think a good reason to have QT would be to avoid interoperability problems with other systems that use it (threads, but also some forms of pleroma iirc). But still I don't like the idea much, although maybe having smaller communities here it would not be that bad
@alcea@prex Well, the silly thing, IMO, is that there is literally nothing stopping any other fediverse application from taking your Mastodon post and quote-posting it. Like, lots of them already do it. This argument is literally just about whether Mastodon provides a UI for it too.
It would also be silly to me if posts from other apps that don't provide an 'opt in' setting for quotes will likely just be un-quotable. Since this will be a mastodon-specific thing, it functionally means only a small subset of users will be quotable, if that's how it's implemented (vs opt-out for non-mastodon posts)
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