@latelesley If the submissions to the Court by South Africa are found not to be express contraventions of the Genocide Convention, I honestly don't know how the Court, and the wider world, can live with itself.
@fkamiah17 I agree. It's unbelievable that the ones once at the receiving end of genocide, go on to perpetrate it decades later. And they need held accountable, regardless of history.
Not excusing what Hamas did, but this is a complete overreaction.
@latelesley These Conventions were created in direct response to the Holocaust and reiterated in the Treaty of Rome. I will never understand how the international community has willingly failed to accept, or has wilfully ignored the perpetrating of the same crimes by Israel as those that were perpetrated against them.
I am watching both full of gratitude that Institutions like the #ICJ exist, full of admiration for #SouthAfrica, but also full of fear, a lot of fear, that the case will not lead to any change in Gaza but to diminishing the power of the ICJ etc and the overall crisis of multilateralism. Let’s hope i am wrong
@pvonhellermannn@latelesley I have exactly those same fears, and that they might in some way be hampered, or attempt to be mitigated by Western nations - particularly the UK, EU and US - in order to protect themselves from charges of enabling genocide.
And indeed even if the verdict goes against Israel, it's hard to see what it would change on the ground. Surely Israel will just ignore the ruling, and without the US on board, I can't see how the ICJ could possibly enforce it.
@statsguy@pvonhellermannn@fkamiah17 This is true. But it would at least ramp up massive political pressure in Netanyahu, and open the door to sanctions on Israel.
@latelesley@statsguy@pvonhellermannn The outcry from people around the world if that happened - which is already loud and sustained - would be extraordinary if that were to happen.
@statsguy@latelesley@pvonhellermannn@fkamiah17 Houthi sanctions are working. Check out What's Going On With Shipping on YouTube. They've totally diverted Israeli traffic around the southern tip of Africa.
With the Red Sea under control, now someone needs to cork up the entrance to the Medeterrainian or else sink every ship entering a declared "war zone" off Israel's coast. Anyone with antiship missiles or submarines in that area can do it.
As it stands, the shipping delays imposed by the courageous Houthis are enough to cut off Israel's access to imports from Asia w less than a 3 month shelf life.
@MadeyeTheCarnaptious@latelesley The submissions from the Senior Counsels have been increasingly impressive.
It'll destroy the established international rule of law forever if the Court doesn't find in favour of South Africa's case.
You can predict the mealy-mouthed victimhood tropes from the Israelis already. The RSA case has been damming especially as it's been placed in a historical context. For the US to fob them off is transparently an abject disgrace.
@Thebratdragon@fkamiah17@latelesley And still I think there is a big chance it will come to that. And it will destroy the little trust that is left in western systems and organisations.
@Thebratdragon@GRA3432@latelesley You could also argue that, put into the wider context of the post-2008, post-Covid global economic picture, there are correlations to the 1920s.
The court's reaction and decision will have without doubt tremendous impact world wide on governments, media, institutions like universities, corporations, social media and many many more.
I'm just asking, because I never saw any yet.
And about Israel it's said that every allegation is a confession.
Anyway, people all around the world are watching very well what's happening in the court and every reaction of the court will have more or less hefty reactions -- especially considering that sympathisants of both sides will show quite different reactions.
>> Human shields are considered to be sacrificed while hostages are quite well protected.
So there is a fundamental difference.
Oh, look, someone pretending that #Hamas did not kill any #hostages.
Next, he will deny that Hamas did not rape and torture civilians, despite the fact that the even the #UN acknowledged the rapes and brutal sexual assaults.
>> I mean it's quite strange, never having a single prove for anything after 3 month of conflict, but supporting every allegation of Israel.
Hi friends at #Mastodon:
Do any of you have a "single prove for anything after 3 month of conflict?" If so, please share with this lazy and ignorant #TrollInAHole
@fkamiah17@latelesley Apparently evil's banality took roots in Israel after being unleashed in Germany and has contaminated western political leaders. It is depraved and sick to watch day after day innocent women, children and men, their homes, schools and hospitals being bombed, thousands killed or maimed and do nothing to stop it. That and supporting Israel's genocidal blood thirsty ruling death cult mob. Western leaders totally lost their moral compasses (if they ever had any).
@fkamiah17@latelesley Well spoken. A lot is at stake here. And I hope that history will be hard on the countries that are silent now. An ICJ ruling in favour of the Palestinians will not cause Israel to stop, but hopefully it will enable the coward governments to come out in support #Palestine putting more pressure on Israeli government.
@jespervinge
Where was the ICJ when Hamas was launching missiles at Isreal? Do you have a double standard here?
As for me, I've long ago noted that there is plenty of evil on both sides of this conflict and I'm waiting for evidence anyone in the area really cares to stop their side.
@bluGill@fkamiah17@latelesley I believe the ICJ cannot rule against Hamas, since Hamas is not a state. But, Hamas did commit a war crime when they killed innocent Israelis. Absolutely.
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