jpm, (edited )
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jpm,
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@CursedFootprint @NanoRaptor I heard you like fucked up IC footprints that look like shitposts, so here’s today’s challenger: the SCM1110MF, another 3-phase high voltage IGBT module.

Do YOU have a PowerDIP package?

https://www.farnell.com/datasheets/1513926.pdf

mvyrmnd,
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@jpm @CursedFootprint @NanoRaptor "Do YOU have a PowerDIP package?"

That emphasis makes it sound like a euphemism

jpm,
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Unixbigot,
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@jpm that’s not a DIP!

❌ not [D]ual-row
❌ pins not [I]n-line
❌ not [P]raiseworthy

ospalh,
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@jpm @CursedFootprint @NanoRaptor
Hmpf.
Allegro: When we talk IGBT, we have to talk about high voltage, too.

According to IEC everything below 1000 V AC is low voltage.
That thing has a low voltage side and an extremely low voltage side.

jpm,
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@ospalh @CursedFootprint @NanoRaptor 🎶 whooooaaaaaaa
We’re half way there
Whoooaaa-ooohhh
500 volts on a paiii-iiir 🎶

(With apologies to Bon Jovi (I regret nothing))

th,
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@jpm @CursedFootprint @NanoRaptor Allegro's high power current sensors also have some cursed packages

CursedFootprint,
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whitequark,
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@jpm @CursedFootprint @NanoRaptor this seems pretty normal to me?

mborges,
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@whitequark @jpm @CursedFootprint @NanoRaptor we know you've been flying way too close to gods

gsuberland,
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@jpm I would call this pretty normal for a HV part that requires isolation. annoying to work with, but pretty typical.

jpm,
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@gsuberland oh yeah absolutely makes sense when I checked the datasheet and saw 600V, doesn’t make it look any less munted

mansr,
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@jpm @CursedFootprint @NanoRaptor Irregular pin arrangements are pretty common on high-power devices.

penguin42,
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@jpm I like the datasheet warns ' Trouble with semiconductors may lead to personal injury, fire or property damage'

danielaKay,
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@jpm @CursedFootprint @NanoRaptor could someone explain for the software people why this is apparently cursed and to be avoided at all costs?

Natanox,
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@danielaKay @jpm @CursedFootprint @NanoRaptor The footprint of those pins is cursed. ICs usually don't feature three different sizes of pins in such a wild order, makes it really hard to work with outside of a custom-made PCB.

jpm,
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@Natanox @danielaKay @CursedFootprint @NanoRaptor to be fair, I’d want to prototype using a custom PCB when dealing with 600 volts. Don’t think a breadboard or protoboard would like that much voltage…

jaseg,
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@danielaKay Usually, IC packages have pins at regular intervals and are mirror or rotation symmetric. Most ICs come in one of a handful of industry-standard packages, which is nice because you only have to layout the PCB patterns for these packages once, and can re-use them many times. Most electronics CAD software comes with a large library of those standdard layouts.

jaseg,
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@danielaKay In contrast, for this IC, the engineer has to do a custom layout from scratch. With irregular sizes and spacing, that is error-prone. Catching these errors by comparing against the datasheet is hard. When the engineer does the PCB design, they probably don't have the physical chip yet. Making a mistake in a PCB using a chip like this can easily cost thousands of dollars to re-do the PCBs.

jaseg,
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@danielaKay The reason this chip looks like that is that it uses both high voltages and high currents on some of its pins, and the manufacturer only wanted to make the pins large and spaced apart that really need to be to reduce cost (metal is expensive) and to make the package as small as possible (saves space on the board).

jaseg,
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@danielaKay In software engineering terms, this chip package is the equivalent of a web API that doesn't use JSON but instead uses a bespoke binary encoding to save bandwidth. Efficient in certain applications, but a PITA for everyone that has to deal with it.

old_angry_queer,
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@jpm ⛓️ is it because it's an DC/AC inverter and it needs the extra pin spacing for isolation?

@CursedFootprint

jpm,
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@old_angry_queer probably yes because of the voltage involved

SuitedUpDev,
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@jpm this has got to be a joke right?

Right.....?

Purple,
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@jpm @CursedFootprint

Real "I'm gonna make it the PCB Designers problem" kinda pinout

JennyFluff,
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@Purple @jpm @CursedFootprint the crime is not the layout, the crime is to ship a datasheet without a recommended pcb layout

jpm,
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@JennyFluff @Purple @CursedFootprint I dunno, there’s plenty of issues with IC datasheet recommended layouts at 5V, let alone 500V

root42,
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@jpm hybrid IC? Some HiFi amplifiers use those and they can have weird footprints.
Edit: 3-phase DC/AC inverter...

nonspecialist,
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@jpm @CursedFootprint if this has nothing to do with @NanoRaptor then … well, totally cursed

jpm,
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nonspecialist,
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@jpm @CursedFootprint @NanoRaptor then, as you said, what the fuck?

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