mcc, 1 month ago

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streganil, 1 month ago

@mcc I don't believe this is logically inconsistent for the US; we still have territory whose residents are US residents but who are not citizens

TomF, 1 month ago

@streganil @mcc In fact it's all territories. I am a US resident, but not a US citizen, and cannot vote. I have taxation without representation.

railmeat, 1 month ago

@TomF

I talk to people about that, but they often don’t believe me.
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mcc, 1 month ago

@railmeat @TomF @streganil Is it possible the United States of America is (historically speaking) a uniquely poor choice to pick as the global arbiter of the rights of persons in occupied territories

streganil, 1 month ago

@TomF @mcc there are some territories where the inhabitants are US citizens from birth, despite not being able to vote for federal elections while living in that area (PR, DC-ish); some territories, when you are born there, you are not a US citizen and cannot vote even if you move elsewhere in the US (guam)

jamiemccarthy, 1 month ago

@mcc “Palestinian citizens of Israel have had the right to vote in Israeli elections since the first Israeli elections in 1949.”

https://ecfr.eu/special/mapping_palestinian_politics/palestinian_citizens_of_israel/

crzwdjk, 1 month ago

@mcc There are various examples where even without disputed territory, people in a state are not citizens of said state, even if they were born there. Though generally they at least have some option for acquiring citizenship, which as I understand it Palestinians from the territories do not.

moira, 1 month ago

@mcc They're still technically "occupied territories" (having never been annexed), making the Palestinians a kind of de facto stateless, which is a nightmare internationally.