@andycarolan@Cloud68 For Slack I don't have a choice, it's what we use at work. The only thing I can do is not post anything personal like photos, which I have done in the past.
@robb I think this is how tools like that will suffer... people won't add as much rich content through fears that it will be used to train those AI models. AI is dumb already, and it will only get dumber as people further restrict their content. @Cloud68
@robb@andycarolan@Cloud68 Under those circumstances, I don't understand why employers don't push back - or at least demand a discount if their staff's writing is being user to train something. We don't use Slack, but Google Chat at work, which now comes with useless and inaccurate AI summaries of unread posts, and annoys me endlessly.
@hl Who do they push back against though? Companies won't listen, even if they have a direct line of communication. It's all incredibly annoying. I don't want AI features in the Adobe software that I pay for, but there it is. @robb@Cloud68
@andycarolan@robb@Cloud68 I think they would push back against their supplier company - at least aim to get a discount or similar. If suddenly, different to when you entered the contract, all your user's data is being used to train an AI - I would think that's a change of contact, and since it's a B2B relationship, there would be professionals dealing with the contracts; not the usual click through EULA power imbalance you have when it's just you.
@Cloud68 Well, the problem for me for example, is that Adobe CC, a product that I need for work, now has generative AI baked into it. I would love to opt out, or switch to another product, but I can't... I rely on the apps too much for that. Also, if there were an alternative, there's nothing stopping that from doing the same, and adding AI into their suite of tools. @robb
@andycarolan@robb indeed some apps and software are not easy to migrate, but we can start from low hanging fruits no? For Slack for example there is #mattermost or #MatrixMessenger .
@Cloud68@andycarolan I don't have control over what chat app we use at work but if I did, I cannot imagine trying to onboard our non-technical team members onto Matrix.
@Cloud68 Agreed, and for small teams, I imagine the migration would be relatively painless... Larger companies might be a different story however. As you say though, we have to start with the low hanging fruit. @robb
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