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krisnelson, 10 months ago

@mmb @BarbChamberlain There must be a best-practice word for this! All I can think of is to insert "accessible" in there?

krisnelson, 10 months ago

@kissane Yes, I definitely think user-level shared blocklists are going to be necessary for us to proactively remove some of the ugh from this space without each individual person (particularly if they are on a large instance) having to encounter it and deal with it as an individual. We need community-based responses so we can look out for others. (And this would let this ugh people still interact with each other, after all, or with those who sign up to diff shared blocklists.)

krisnelson, 10 months ago

@design_law I like a mix of:

(1) interaction possibilities (questions, like this one from you, informal life stuff with more fun back & forth, etc.--basically, non-broadcast stuff that helps build a sense of connected community)

and

(2) postings from practitioners and experts about their insights, whether that's cases I might have missed and what they mean or, even better, their actual experiences in legal practice dealing with O-C, filings, etc. (within the bounds of bar rules)!

krisnelson, 10 months ago

@Loukas I laughed at this, thothough tbh I am unsure what "liberal" and "conservative" actually mean in the US, as Republicans here are not really conservative--they are more like reactionaries?--and "liberals" could be anything from social democrats to free-market conservatives.

Current political labels are confusing & mutable! That makes it hard to identify trends over time & across borders, as it seems to like we need some kind of semi-stable terminology to do good & useful analyses?

krisnelson, 10 months ago

@Loukas Well, I'd say here in the US, FDR in the 30s redefined "liberal" to fuse progressivism (gov interv. can be good, actually) with a smidge of socialism (not too much, we want to help people work for pay) plus rights-based, pro-democracy liberalism (really, regulated market capitalism + individual rights). That move was key to our divergence from the international def of "liberal."

I'd posit that as radical reactionaries took over "conservative," that US def of "liberal" grew unstable.

krisnelson, 10 months ago

@Loukas I think possibly the US is converging more on the international definitions, including using terms like social democratic. I've heard that here much more than in the past, typically to describe left Democrats (like, hmm, AOC in New York) versus centrist/conservative Democrats (like Biden). So maybe we'll end up solving this confusion by the US shifting towards more international usage for once?

krisnelson, 10 months ago

@Loukas For younger generations at least--maybe thanks to Bernie or maybe he is a beneficiary rather than a cause--I think you're right that socialist as a term in the US is no longer so terrifying.

But it has lost little of its power among the reactionary, low-information right, who still use it as a cudgel that centrists like Biden are often terrified of being called and do their best to avoid being labeled as.

Still, I agree, things are changing (if we can survive the reactionaries).

krisnelson, 10 months ago

@Loukas That's been a common argument made by more leftist Democrats towards centrist Dems here. Like, they already hate you as a "liberal," and they'll vilify you as a "socialist" regardless of what you do, so just go do things to help people and stop catering to the right!

But centrist Dems--especially old ones from an older generation--remain terrified of losing "the middle" (whatever that is), so this rational argument, even when backed by evidence and polling, has had limited success.

krisnelson, 10 months ago

@jonathanpeterson @Loukas At this point, to me the definitions used by Republicans now seem self contained and self referential, like a different language even. It's sort of like the unique definitions and terminology used by evangelical Christians and almost impenetrable to anyone not steeped in that tradition.

krisnelson, 10 months ago

@Loukas You've got me curious now about what the political opposites are in Sweden. E.g., is the opposite of "liberal" a "social democrat"? Or something else? What's the opposite of a "conservative"? Or are different labels entirely used for political identification (yes, yes, I know they'd be in Swedish, humor me)?

Also, you at least have the benefit of multiple parties to accommodate some variety in these defs in practice --perhaps that lack explains some of the awkward defs in US politics?

krisnelson, 10 months ago

@neil yes, I’m thinking more filtering and curation will be needed. Perhaps just putting some of the news-heavy accounts into lists and muting them from the main tl or similar since I like having them available still, hmm

krisnelson, 10 months ago

@neil I’ve now been experimenting with hiding (with a warning) anything linking to a list of US news sites and so far it’s making a vast improvement to my tl. A bit clunky and manual but so far, much better.

krisnelson, 10 months ago

@skye This is not legal advice and I'm not licensed in your jurisdiction, but I believe disturbing a snuggled-up cat is a criminal offense

krisnelson, 10 months ago

@thomasfuchs Yes, like defamatory speech, some kinds of fraud, etc. The usual challenge is to figure out how to set parameters that protect against government abuse of this kind of speech-repressing power. Tbh, I'm not sure that's the best framing, bc it seems to me that once it's reached this stage (e.g., Florida in the US), there are clearly bigger problems and a more libertarian view of free speech isn't going to solve those?

krisnelson, 11 months ago

@LFLegal @aardrian I'm with you: "This lawsuit against Adrian Roselli impacts every person who cares about including disabled people in the digital world. It impacts all of us who speak, write, and advocate for digital accessibility that is fair, equitable, and ethical."

krisnelson, 11 months ago

@StillIRise1963 Among other things, "professionalization" (and expertise, credentials, bar associations, and so on) can (and has, at times) provide a critical bulwark against dis/misinformation, lies, bigotry and systemic harms like racism, but too often it becomes a thin veneer of protectionism over the same bigotry and biases--which undermines the benefits of the entire enterprise and reduces everything back to mere power once again. (Sigh.)

krisnelson, 11 months ago

@StillIRise1963 I think the "bulwark" is dimly visible in the difference, for example, between pediatricians advocating for childhood vaccination vsRFK Jr.'s ranting against them or the American Historical Assoc. opposing the Museum of the American Revolution hosting an event by Moms for Liberty.

Still, I take your point that calling this a "bulwark" is overstating how positive an influence professionals & their orgs have been, given the very long history of their enabling racism, sexism, etc.

krisnelson, 11 months ago

@Teri_Kanefield Bah, while it's always been the case that exactly what any individual judge might do in any given circumstances is somewhat unpredictable (despite the best attempts of new legaltech to help with predictions), it deeply irritates me as a legal professional that even the parameters of what Cannon might do here are hard for me to be comfortable predicting because of all the pseudo-legal shenanigans that are in play, both with this def & this judge, but also this circuit & #SCOTUS.

krisnelson, 11 months ago

@neil (1) reminds me rather of the classic difference between “fashion” (ephemeral) and style (enduring)

(2) but also, if it’s revealing of something, then a snapshot in time is, I’d say, always relevant to the modern era in some way (many historians love ephemera for this)

krisnelson, 11 months ago

@JacquelynGill US lawyers like Milloy (and me) are trained to “distinguish” or manipulate past precedent rather than follow it—honestly, as the tobacco lawyers proved for years, the same goes for factual evidence (and esp anything statistical—US law is still biased towards very fallible first-hand human witnesses).

So, sadly, I’d have to say what Milloy does here fits into a dark & deep tradition of US lawyering.

krisnelson, 11 months ago

@futurebird the worst is when someone screws up revisions in a legal document such that you k is have four (3) wishes

krisnelson, 11 months ago

Who is doing trainings from the left or even centrist liberal side on how to resist Moms for Liberty and school board capture and similar local political moves?

A quick search turns up numerous reactionary training programs for right-wing activists but little that that is about actual liberty, rationality, democratic values, and similar.

Where do I find that?

Edit: not a rhetorical question. Please share if you know!

#USpol #schools #education #politics #civics

krisnelson, 11 months ago

@andrew let me send my silly little demand letters and file my silly little complaints in peace