“Why can’t you just have no valid feelings or emotions or hopes or dreams or needs or desires like my AI girlfriend? Why can’t you just exist to please me and be “vaguely pleasant” in any and every situation?!” Glad to see incelism is alive and well.
Ok, yeah I got that originally. Did you misconstrue my original sardonic comment or do you disagree and not know how to express it? Cuz I’m pretty sure we’re on the same side here, lol.
Technology still has a long way to go before AI girlfriends, even if you’re the loniest chap out there, you have to disconnect your brain to find an AI chatbot capable of an organic conversation.
Let’s be honest: the type of guy to have an AI “girlfriend” was never going to ever have enough rizz to get an IRL girlfriend. Women, you can sleep easy tonight knowing that incels no longer have to kill people in order to feel fulfilled.
Lol. Who would want to? The kind of guy who would be satisfied with AI is not someone a woman with the smallest shred of respect would want to be with.
That’s what these guys don’t realize: being with them is thoroughly worse than being single.
The kind of guy who would be satisfied with AI is not someone a woman with the smallest shred of respect would want to be with.
This is so goddamn cruel. Are people who are simply just so lonely they need to express their feelings to an AI so undeserving of love that it would feel humiliating to get close to them? I don’t think about women that way.
Expressing feelings to an AI is not at all the same thing as considering it your girlfriend.
And it isn’t about who is deserving of love. Everyone is. But 1. love doesn’t have to be romantic to be valuable and 2. no matter how deserving sometimes is of receiving love, it’s not an entitlement.
Someone incapable of recognizing that an AI isn’t a real person and who expects a real person to fulfill a specific role is likely fundamentally abusive. No self-respecting woman should have to put up with controlling behavior just to make a man feel better about themselves. They need therapy. Not an AI girlfriend.
I’ve provided emotional support to my girlfriends when they needed it and I was able to provide it, and they did the same for me. If you only want to emotionally rely on a person who’s listening to you because you’re paying them, that’s ok as a personal choice I guess, but the vast majority of mentally healthy people rely on friends, family and partners for emotional support. That aside, I feel like you have quite a twisted idea of the kind of person who uses a bot because they feel they don’t have anyone who will listen to them.
Again, using a bot is vastly different from deluding yourself into thinking it’s a substitute for a real relationship. You’re arguing a straw man. I never said anyone who uses a bot isn’t a good partner. I said anyone who thinks AI is a girlfriend isn’t a good partner.
I said anyone who thinks AI is a girlfriend isn’t a good partner
And so I asked you:
Do you know of anyone who has been in a non-abusive relationship who claims that an AI is a good partner?
But you’re even unable to discuss the most evident premises of what you’re arguing for, and yet you run to accuse others of building up strawmans when you aren’t even willing to take your own arguments seriously. I have no time to waste in trolls.
I’ve heard of a guy who married a hologram app of Hatusne Miku, and it literally turned his life around having anything to talk to.
The loneliness epidemic is real, and as a former NEET, crippling social anxiety is a killer. Something that can put these vulnerable people in the position where they can function and get though the day is an objective good.
But AI is basically just talking to yourself. It won’t really fix loneliness. All it can be is an illusion. A delusion. And I don’t believe delusions can ever really be an objective good. Need something to talk to? Get a pet. Or a therapist until you can make a real friend.
It won’t fix it, but it can mitigate it to an extent.
Pets are a expense and a responsibility, with conversations being one sided, so their less than ideal for shut ins who struggle to function to begin with.
Therapy could help, but is also an expense and still has the barrier of a direct interpersonal interaction.
Both of these also have the issue of intimacy being non-existent. An AI offers a chance for low stakes, human like interaction that can be intimate.
It doesn’t mitigate it any more than feeding candy or alcohol to starving people mitigates their hunger. It might feel like it does for a time, but the underlying problem is only made worse.
It’s not an intimate interaction any more than masturbating is intimate.
And I guarantee AI girlfriends are going to cost, too. Probably way more than therapy.
You’re super closed minded. There’s no need to be so mean… some people aren’t good at socializing but it doesn’t make them bad or disgusting people. If they can find comfort in this, what’s the problem?
Pretty sure a lot of people that can find real partners will try this because it is a new experience. Aren’t you curious? Don’t you wonder if it is possible for YOU to fall in love with an AI? A lot of people who aren’t closed-minded will probably accept the challenge.
I’m sure having an AI partner will be totally normal and socially acceptable in 50-100 years, specially if we give them bodies.
It’s not mean to say that a woman shouldn’t be romantically attached to someone who is incapable of relating to someone who is a real person, who actually thinks that an AI relationship is an acceptable replacement to messy human relationships. That’s a serious mental problem that should be addressed in therapy, not made worse by plastic substitute for real human interaction.
It’s like saying that people who are starving should be given candy to eat. Candy isn’t going to give them what they really need. They need to start slow eating mild real food, and adjust their thought processes and habits. Then once they enjoy real food again, they will be ready for a 5-star experience.
No one is owed a romantic relationship, no matter how lonely they are. Expecting romance to ease your loneliness is a huge problem. AI is not going to solve their loneliness problem any more than candy can feed someone.
And for the record, I’ve been happily single for years. I know what I’m talking about.
Nothing is right or wrong, I think you have a very defined square of boundaries that you can’t see beyond. If someone has social issues and can’t find a person that matches with them, why is it bad for them to look for THEIR OWN happiness somewhere else?
Just let people enjoy their lives, there are no boundaries and no meaning, we’re just here doing whatever the hell… Just do what you like and let others do what their like, as long as they don’t hurt other people. There are people who date dolls or balloons, whatever man, let them do their thing, they aren’t hurting anyone.
Imagine telling people from 150 years ago that today people get their sex changed through medical procedures.
I never said they shouldn’t find their happiness wherever they want it. What I said was they won’t be missed by women, because they wouldn’t make good partners anyways.
You’re getting awfully worked up about that straw man of yours. I wouldn’t be surprised if there is a reason for that.
Go back and read your words. What I’m telling you is that you’re being closed minded and unnecessarily mean to people. Also, that I’m sure that people who “women would miss” (whatever that means, as if there aren’t weird women) will also use this because they have an open mind. It’s fine if you want to live within the confinements of your own mental boundaries, but at least be respectful with people who don’t have your same worldview.
I think the secret to happiness is having a real life partner who you can love and struggle with, and an AI partner who supports you while you’re growing. The best of both worlds.
Humanity will honestly be better off when people have a meaningful alternative to each other.
People are just horrible, including myself and everyone else in this thread. People are selfish, transparent, spiritually ugly little creatures who only care about getting theirs. And they can’t meet each other’s needs, and have successfully driven each other away.
So fuck it. Bring on the AI Stepford wives and AI Hallmark husbandos. At least that way people will be loved and fulfilled.
I’m honestly a little fascinated by it and am curious to see how population trends when people have artificial means of fulfilling their need for companionship.
The majority of people is horrible. There’s also some good people out there. It’s just difficult to meet each other because the pain of being hurt once and again by the wrong people makes us too tired to even try.
Compete? Idk I think of it as a win win. I don’t want to date a guy who would call a chatbot their gf, so sure, why not? Let them self select out of the dating pool. Mind you, it’s not a real relationship because it’s just a glorified autocomplete with rendered boobs, it’s not alive and it’s definitely not intelligent, artifical or other wise. Relationships are boundaries, growing together and appreciating the little moments of life. No LLM is gonna do that.
So sure. Let em have fun, Idc, but it’s hella red flags to think it’s real.
I think you are overestimating the value of “real”, if “real” can even be defined much less proven in many cases including love. Just look at religion and social media for examples of what the human mind is capable of creating an illusion around.
Don’t get me wrong, I do value things that you probably would consider real. But who am I to say they are.
Hot take but I would care if I were you. To be clear: it’s not the job of anyone to date someone or to make other people date worthy. However, your society is likely unprepared to have a lower reproduction rate and relies on that population growth or sustaining. This AI chatbot problem is not only a problem for straight men. It will replace friends for many lonely people, which further degrades relationships and leads to less dating and less reproduction. It will become yet another example of technology leading to negative mental health outcomes and degradation of social interaction. And we aren’t even talking about the ability for future AI to copy a voice and face and body to further mimic a fake virtual relationship with a very real person.
I think in the short term it’s easy to say “people who date AI are losers” and be mostly right but in the long term if we’re all lonelier because of this, then everybody loses.
Before you think I’m crazy: This is already happening or has happened in places like Japan, Korea, and China. A loneliness epidemic is taking place for many reasons and everyone suffers when they happen. The future of AI tech will make this far worse.
This is the wrong place for that brand of myopic nonsense, if ai is good enough to replace girlfriends then every calculation and comparison in your sky falling theory about reproduction rates is turned to junk.
That same automation is already removing the need for people from loads of jobs, especially service industry ones - you don’t need ever more people when we don’t need so many humans to look after elderly people.
The other stuff about society collapsing is just typical tech fear we’ve seen from certain portions of society every single time anything gets invented - most of it is just the classic issue of awareness, of course it seemed people were happier and better connected when you didn’t know anything about their lives, of course more people are open about their mental health struggles now they’re a recognised thing.
Sure some people will be weird about ai and fall in love, people have been marrying horses and obsessing over ladies shoes or whatever else for centuries - society is going to be just fine.
All I’m doing here is extrapolating based on current trends. I’m not saying the future has to be this way, but likely will be unless we take action. Social media didn’t have to ruin our social lives, but for many it did and still does and the awareness isn’t enough.
Same will be true of AI. Our AI ethics development hasn’t been enough to stop what will at least be short term damage. Thats how it is already impacting our schools and media and will continue to for years before we have proper tools.
So since I have a decent base for saying that it will harm our socialization and reproduction rate, the second part is why do we need more people?
We don’t. I agree. Less people is probably better and fine, especially if AI can do a lot of the work. The problem is that we aren’t set up for that and we won’t be in the near future. So yes I hope the world transitions to rely less on having more people, but the problem will likely arrive long before the solution.
I have an idea, how about stop staring at your screens and go out and interact with people in the real world? Problem solved.
just kidding. I’m going to stare at my screen until I have to go to work tomorrow. Tomorrow at work I will deal with real humans for 8 hours and then I will go home and stare at my screen again.
go out and interact with people in the real world?
But like… Where? Even going to bars everyone is in their own groups with not a lot of mixing around. Especially since covid it seems like everyone is in their own bubbles. I’ve had like 4-5 conversations with strangers (that weren’t forced business transactions) in the last year and most of those people weren’t particularly interesting.
yeah this seems to be a problem in society the last few decades. In the old days, socialization was unavoidable, It was natural because people were never cooped up in their houses staring at screens because screens didn’t exist yet. screens are killing us.
Just want to comment to say bars were shitty and only being able to interact in your very localized community was shitty, all the twenty somethings I talk to now are involved in interesting things, we’d sit drinking beer and debating which pop stars from the 70s are dead based on vague memories of news stories.
And 95% of the people you knew weren’t friends they were just people you’d had so many boring conversations with that you both felt obligated to have another one if you’re in the bar together.
The old days sucked every bit as much as now, probably less because kids don’t seem to need to drink and take as many drugs as we did, they’ve got actual things that interest them and ambitions and stuff.
I don’t go to bars and I’ve never drank alcohol in my life. I don’t understand why alcohol has to be the center of all socialization. I simply don’t understand it.
I’ve literally never heard of a woman irl complaining about men having the option of a virtual girlfriend. If anything, they’ve seemed sympathetic to their plight.
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