rasterweb,
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I've learned to lower my expectations with the Anbernic RG35XX when it comes to playing PICO-8 and TIC-80 games. Lots of them are fine, but some either run super-slow, or get errors when they run.

The ones that do work definitely work well, so I just need to focus on those.

(To be fair I didn't even know about PICO-8 or TIC-80 when I got it, so those are all just bonus games.)

k-tec,
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@rasterweb Which games did you have trouble with?

rasterweb,
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@k@kbin.social I’ll have to make a list… I loaded like 30 games and then just randomly tried a bunch.

rasterweb,
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@ktec @a_cup_of_sugar @krystman @requiem It's a work in progress, but I started taking notes about the PICO-8 games that work or give me issues on the Anbernic RG35XX (which uses Fake-08).

➡️ https://2xlnetworks.notion.site/Anbernic-RG35XX-PICO-8-2430eb0ba0474dd595dcac8cef044b25

requiem,

@rasterweb looking forward to reading this.

If I get a chance I’ll compare your results to mine (I’m running the “real” pico-8 since I bought a copy).

@ktec @a_cup_of_sugar @krystman

rasterweb,
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@requiem @ktec @a_cup_of_sugar Hey, I bought a copy too! It just doesn't run on the RG35XX. :(

Yeah, I'm definitely interested to know if Fake-08 is the issue, or if it's something else.

I think I hit a weird string of a few that didn't work right in a row, so that threw me off. As it is, most seem to work well!

requiem,

@rasterweb interesting! I wonder why it doesn’t run on your machine… @ktec @a_cup_of_sugar

rasterweb,
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@requiem @ktec @a_cup_of_sugar It's not officially supported. I do like what Fake-08 is doing though, only releasing for hardware not officially supported by PICO-8.

I assume there is some technical reason but I'm pretty new to all of this. 😉

ktec,
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@rasterweb @a_cup_of_sugar @krystman @requiem
Thank you for doing that @rasterweb

My plan is to try those games on the Miyoo Mini Plus (running OnionOS with fake08). Hopefully that will help us to narrow down where the issues lie. Even better if it can result in some good quality bug reports to fake08.

My to-do list is rather full atm, though.

rasterweb,
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@ktec @a_cup_of_sugar @krystman @requiem I threw this list together because it was easy for me to take notes... but long-term a shared spreadsheet might make more sense if multiple people want to make notes on different hardware, etc.

ktec,
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@rasterweb @a_cup_of_sugar @krystman @requiem

A shared spreadsheet sounds like a good idea.

rasterweb,
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@ktec @a_cup_of_sugar @krystman @requiem I did read a note today that said Fake-08 development lags behind PICO-8 development by a bit, so any PICO-8 games using newer features will probably not work on Fake-08. (That makes sense.)

krystman,
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@rasterweb @ktec @a_cup_of_sugar @requiem Yeah but many of my old games don‘t run well either. Especially the sound tends to come out broken

rasterweb,
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@krystman @ktec @a_cup_of_sugar @requiem Good to know. I was just hoping that might be the explanation for some of them not working.

ktec,
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@rasterweb @a_cup_of_sugar @krystman @requiem

The results of my testing are very similar to yours, @rasterweb

Everything is the same apart from the following:

Pico Monsters worked fine for me.

Gar's Den gave me a blank screen, which required a reset (you didn't mention specifics in your notes)

PICOWARE gives me a black screen after a little while and requires a reset.

to be continued...

ktec,
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@rasterweb @a_cup_of_sugar @krystman @requiem

...

SlipWays: looks as if this wants mouse input. May be addressed in latest releases - https://github.com/jtothebell/fake-08/issues/187

Pictris: I didn't detect any lag

Flappy Wish: error message, 'ERROR! PRESS X TO CLOSE. [STRING "FUNCTION FANCY_TEXT(CONFIG)..."]:41: ATTEMPT TO CONCATENATE FIELD '?' (A NIL VALUE)' - similar to https://github.com/jtothebell/fake-08/issues/195

to be continued...

ktec,
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@rasterweb @a_cup_of_sugar @krystman @requiem

...

Freezing Knights: error message, 'ERROR: PRESS X TO CLOSE. NO LUA TO LOAD. ABORTING CART LOAD.' - cart may be incompatible

Just a reminder, this is from testing on a Miyoo Mini Plus, running OnionOS 4.2 beta. Apart from some audio stutter on a few games, I didn't detect any performance issues. However, I haven't compared the gameplay to other devices.

to be continued...

ktec,
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@rasterweb @a_cup_of_sugar @krystman @requiem

Some notes about observed patterns:

On start, black screen, requires reset:

  • Apple ][ Bomber
  • Fishy
  • Gar's Den
  • Heliopause

Works for a while, then crashes:

  • PICOWARE
  • Picozone

The question is whether there's any commonality between games that share symptoms.

My final observation is that I had a lot more fun than I expected while doing the testing. There's some great design in these little games.

rasterweb,
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@ktec @a_cup_of_sugar @krystman @requiem Right? I’ll have my first game favorites list and reviews post later today…

ktec,
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@rasterweb @a_cup_of_sugar @krystman @requiem I enjoy how over-the-top some of the effects are. I walk into a wall, the whole screen shakes, and it sounds as if the world is about to implode from the impact!

rasterweb,
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@ktec @a_cup_of_sugar @krystman @requiem Thanks! I’ll try to add more details when I get a chance.

a_cup_of_sugar,

@rasterweb I haven't had any pico-8 issues yet on my RG353V. Haven't tried any TIC-80 games though

rasterweb,
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@a_cup_of_sugar Isn't the RG35V a bit more powerful than the RG35XX? I should try to make a list of games with issues...

a_cup_of_sugar,

@rasterweb oh! Wait, is XX not just a wildcard character? That's an actual model number? Iiignore me lol, sorry

rasterweb,
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@a_cup_of_sugar Ha, yeah! No one knows what the XX stands for. ;)

krystman,
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@rasterweb @a_cup_of_sugar I don't think this has to do with power. I suspect the difference is that the RG35XX runs Pico-8 carts using the Fake08 emulator while the RG353V can run the real Pico-8 natively

rasterweb,
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@krystman @a_cup_of_sugar Ah, that makes sense! And I’m guessing the RG35XX cannot run the real PICO-8?

krystman,
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@rasterweb @a_cup_of_sugar I'm not too familiar with this particular handheld but I've been missing a similar feature on the Miyoo devices

ktec,
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@krystman @rasterweb @a_cup_of_sugar on the and supports both and . You can enable them using the Package Manager app.

Similar to on the , OnionOS uses the fake08 retroarch core for PICO-8. Whilst it is unofficial, and will not have perfect compatibility, it's my preferred way to run PICO-8 because it's Open Source.

https://github.com/jtothebell/fake-08

rasterweb,
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@ktec @krystman @a_cup_of_sugar I do love open source but I also like affordable commercial software that works. I've already paid for PICO-8 and would love to use the official version in GarlicOS. (But I can get by with Fake-08 if needed.)

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