Carwil,

In 31 days, the death toll in war blew past the genocidal massacre in Srebrenica, civilian deaths in the invasion of Ukraine, and all prior Israeli–Palestinian conflict deaths since 1987.

https://woborders.blog/2023/11/08/the-scale-and-pace-of-death-in-israel-gaza-war-are-staggering/

oakster,
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@Carwil I wish we knew how many of those are civilians and how many terrorists. The more of the former is terrible but the more of the latter brings us closer to a free society in Gaza

Carwil,

@oakster
Demographic data suggest not many of those reported killed in Gaza are combatants. https://philosophybear.substack.com/p/on-palestinian-figures-an-absolute

oakster,
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@Carwil see this https://babka.social/@mplawner/111381280534375600 , Hamas are monsters. The use of kids as human shields leads to more inadvertent deaths

Alon,
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@Carwil Can you not cite the Ukrainian death toll as 10,000 civilians? It borders on fake news. There has never been a proper count anywhere Russia occupies; the estimate is that in Mariupol alone it's 25,000, on a prewar population of 400,000. Likewise, in the Bosnian War, the Bosnian death toll was per Wikipedia 60,000, evenly split between combatants and noncombatants.

At least based on the last few days, the daily civilian death toll is falling now that it's a ground war, not an air war.

Carwil,

@Alon
You're right on Ukraine, a place where I had assumed that Ukrainian prosecutors' office estimates would be the higher end. Instead they are confirmed and named totals, which we should expect to be low.

I'll pull the comparison from the chart.

The scale of the undercount has sharply shifted in that office's statements. In Feb 23, they were envisioning 100k total, but in June 23 they estimated 50k. https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20230606-10-368-the-incomplete-count-of-ukraine-s-civilian-dead

Carwil,

@Alon
I was well aware that the massacre in the small town of Srebrenica was not the entire Bosnian war. But it (and 9/11 for 7 Oct) is one of the few comparable events with the same short length as the Gaza conflict so far.

Carwil,

@Alon
It would be a very good thing if daily deaths are actually trending down, but with Gaza City surrounded there may also be the same kind of reporting challenges that interfered in Mariupol.

Still not yet a very promising curve.

Alon,
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@Carwil Reporting from Gaza doesn't seem compromised - in general, the quality of the reporting from both Hamas- and Israel-held areas is decent (not perfect).

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