What is Something Scientific that you just don't believe in at all?

EDIT: Let’s cool it with the downvotes, dudes. We’re not out to cut funding to your black hole detection chamber or revoke the degrees of chiropractors just because a couple of us don’t believe in it, okay? Chill out, participate with the prompt and continue with having a nice day. I’m sure almost everybody has something to add.

Mango,

Psychologists branding everyone with a disorder. You can spend a whole lifetime trying to understand yourself and you won’t. 4 years of schooling and a book full of labels doesn’t give you any extra magical understanding of everyone else.

the_q,

Hey it’s ok to be wrong on this one.

Mango,

Not when it means forcing people on drugs the same way people portray meth dealers.

the_q,

No one forces people seeking help with dealing with an issue into drug usage. There’s several types of talk therapy for example. Again, it’s ok to be wrong.

Mango,

Oh you gonna lie to me about my own first hand experience? Get fucked by a cactus.

the_q,

No I’m not, but your reactions tell me you do suffer from some kind of mental health issue so…

Mango,

Ad hominem

the_q,

Not an attack, an observation. You should talk to someone.

Mango,

Not an insult, an observation. You’re retarded.

the_q,

Poor guy. I hope you get the help you need one day. Also, that word is frowned upon these days. Maybe considering the feelings of others would do you some good in your own mental health journey.

UndercoverUlrikHD, (edited )

Psychology isn’t science so no harm being doubtful about parts of it.

rowrowrowyourboat,

4 years where? To become a real psychologist (not a therapist) in most places you need a PhD or a PsyD. In total, you probably do at least 8 years of schooling.

Not to mention that that “book full of labels” is constantly reviewed and was made based on consensus from psychiatrists, which are medical doctors with a lot more than 4 years of schooling.

Mango,

Ok me and several others are constantly reviewing the pirate anime One Piece. It takes a long time to complete and we’ve collectively decided that it’s better than every other show and probably something that happened for real.

godzillabacter,

You know I felt this way for years. I felt that way through psychopharmacology in pharmacy school, and I felt that way during our psychiatry and behavior lectures in medical school. I felt like psychiatry was minimizing behavior to these boxes was far too reductionist. Then I spent a month in an inpatient psychiatry facility as a third year medical student.

While I completely agree that each individual is unique and people are more than their diagnosis, you’d be absolutely shocked by just how similar patients’ overall stories, maladaptive coping mechanisms, and behaviors are within the same psychiatric illness. I can spot mania from a doorway, and it takes less than five minutes to have a high suspicion for borderline personality disorder. These classifications aren’t some arbitrary grouping of symptoms: they’re an attempt to create standard criteria for a relatively well preserved set of phenotypic behaviors. The hard part is understanding pathology vs culturally appropriate behavior in cultures you don’t belong, and differentiating within illness spectra (Bipolar I vs II; schizophrenia vs bipolar disorder with psychotic features vs schizoaffective)

Mango,

You’re part of the problem.

godzillabacter,

Thank you for your insightful and well-researched response. I’ll remember that as I continue to provide high-quality evidence based care to all of my psychiatric patients in the future while you bitch about stuff on the internet.

Mango,

That stuff you and your buddies wrote together to justify your income isn’t really evidence. Maybe you even believe it is. Everything you ever thought you know is just stuff others told you and you believed it based on their presentation.

godzillabacter,

No, in fact I believe very heavily in evaluating primary literature to re-evaluate decades-old dogma within medicine. I regularly disagree with my professors when they present outdated information in lecture. I have no income right now, and I have forgone substantial amounts of income by pursuing medical school instead of continuing to practice pharmacy. I’m not in this for the money.

If you would be so kind, I would love to know what evidence you present in contrary to the decades of peer-reviewed cohort, case-control, and RCT data which validate psychiatry as an effective field for managing psychiatric illness. I’d be happy to discuss any scientific data you have that I haven’t seen, and would be happy to change my opinion if it is data-driven.

I can appreciate your skepticism towards medicine and psychiatry, but if you can’t defend your position with anything but accusations and conspiracy, then I don’t think we have much else to discuss.

Mango,

Funny how you bring up conspiracy given how psychiatry is widely used as a tool to discredit. You all keep control of public image by posing yourselves as authority and your opposition as mentally ill. You’re literally doing it right now.

Zozano,

I’m trying to understand the underlying presuppositions which lead you to this opinion.

Are you convinced psychiatric medicine:

  • is not effective?
  • is over-prescibed?
  • is a worse treatment than therapy?
  • is harmful?
Mango,

Ever been forced to take a drug that made you unable to finish reading a sentence because the local government didn’t like how you’re rude to a teacher?

Zozano,

Nope, but that sounds like psychiatric malfeasance.

I’m sure nobody denies there are bad psychiatrists, but what you’re saying sounds more like an argument for better practice’s in psychiatry (which happen constantly), as opposed to the claim you had initially, which was about psychiatrists over diagnosing people with a mental illness.

On a related note: The frequency of ADHD diagnoses has risen drastically over the last few decades.

Someone may interpret this to mean psychiatrists are over diagnosing.

Another interpretation is more people are becoming ADHD.

But the medical consensus is that the public understanding of what ADHD is has improved. It is no longer understood as “little boys with too much energy”, and so, more people seek help.

It’s shameful that misdiagnoses happen, and I’m sorry that happened to you.

spacecowboy,

I have a feeling you’re in dire need of their expertise.

Mango,

Ad hominem.

Just keep control of image. You are authority and your opposition is mentally ill.

doctorcrimson, (edited )

I feel that, I feel like diagnoses is one of the least important parts of psychologists’ work. And if they assign medication based solely on that limited scope, then there is clearly a problem.

EDIT: To clarify, I think medication should be used to treat specific symptoms when there are no contraindications, I think it is wrong to assign medication based on a broad categorization.

doctorcrimson,

For me it’s Colloidal Silver. It’s been used as antimicrobial in wound dressings in the past but I just don’t trust it at all. The reason it suddenly resurged was during the Covid Pandemic a bunch of televangelist snake oil salesmen started endorsing it. If a product contains silver I won’t use it at all, and furthermore I reject brands that sell it. I would even rather bleed than purchase a CVS bandaid.

banneryear1868,

Pretty sure these uses are snake oil, where it does have use is blocking male phenotype expression in flowering plants. I use it to make feminized cannabis seed.

Silver nitrate is used medically as a cauterizing agent for wounds. Had to apply this when an inch deep 2 inch diameter abdominal wound healed to surface level after packing and changing gauze on it for 3 months, else it would have kept “healing” itself outward.

A_A,
@A_A@lemmy.world avatar

Silver in these bandages simply acts as a catalyst which uses oxygen from the air to oxidize bad stuff : it’s like having a tiny source of peroxide.

doctorcrimson,

Cool, it’s overuse is still bullshit preying on the feeble minded. Even the FDA has had to step in several times the last 2 years because of how crazy it’s been getting.

fruitycoder,

Interestingly I really only know about because it’s “popular” in the biohacker space for helping with cavities (as in AFTER you have cleaned a cavity you can use it to seal and protect it from further damage). Cheaper and more accessible then proper dental care.

SpiderShoeCult,

I am afraid to ask this but what cavities are you referring to? Do biohackers feel the need for more cavities usually?

fruitycoder,

Cavities in teeth!! Oh no, I don’t know of recommending anywhere else!

Catoblepas,

Colloidal silver sold as a cure or “supplement” is absolutely a scam and potentially harmful (it can and has permanently turned people blue/gray). But silver itself is incredibly useful as an antimicrobial and is commonly used in bandages in burn wards.

Silver isn’t the only metal that is effective against bacteria, but other than brass and gold most other options are either toxic to humans in some way or not as effective.

TL;DR: bandaids with silver are fine, colloidal silver you put in your body isn’t.

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