What is Something Scientific that you just don't believe in at all?

EDIT: Let’s cool it with the downvotes, dudes. We’re not out to cut funding to your black hole detection chamber or revoke the degrees of chiropractors just because a couple of us don’t believe in it, okay? Chill out, participate with the prompt and continue with having a nice day. I’m sure almost everybody has something to add.

nirodhaavidya,
@nirodhaavidya@lemmy.world avatar

That consciousness arises from matter as some emergent phenomenon. Integrated information theory, micro-tubules, or whatever: no.

I believe consciousness is fundamental.

HerrBeter,

How do you mean fundamental?

SorteKanin,
@SorteKanin@feddit.dk avatar

They probably mean that consciousness does not arrive from matter - that there is some other thing that causes consciousness, like another fundamental particle or whatever.

Essentially they are arguing for the existence of the “soul” or “spirit” in some fashion or another. Definitely unscientific as we have no evidence of such a thing.

Valmond,

That’s not scientifically proven though, just an idea.

Matriks404,

The problem with consciousness is that everyone has different idea what is is.

themeatbridge,

That’s the fundamental problem with everything, though.

bitwaba,

I disagree with you, but that’s because your comment means something entirely different to me.

themeatbridge,

And I, in turn, accept your apology.

bitwaba,

Thank you for subscribing to Cat Facts

NeoNachtwaechter,

Homeopathy. All about it.

Tatters,

There is nothing scientific about homeopathy.

HollandJim,

True - when it’s scientific, it’s called “Medicine”

Jarix,

“By definition”, I begin “Alternative Medicine”, I continue “Has either not been proved to work, Or been proved not to work. You know what they call “alternative medicine” That’s been proved to work? Medicine.”

— Tim Minchin, Storm

Skyhighatrist,

Right, but that can never be true for Homeopathy. It’s pseudoscience bullshit through and through. That said, many people conflate homeopathy with “natural remedies”, but that’s not what homeopathy is.

Homeopathy is built on the concept of “like cures like” and that as a solution becomes more dilute it becomes stronger. A newer idea (at least compared to homeopathy’s history) is that water has memory and that it “remembers” whatever it was mixed with in the past. They added this on to explain why diluting a solution so much that there’s virtually no chance of there being even a single molecule of the “medicine” left in it doesn’t actually make it not work because water remembers what you mixed it with.

So, say a person is suffering from poisoning. A typical homeopathic “cure” would be to take an amount of the poison, mix it with water, shake and stir it in a specific way, then dilute it with more water. Repeat lots of times, since the more dilute it is the stronger the “medicine” is.

Practitioners prey on the ignorance of their customers to swindle them out of their money for something that amounts to nothing more than a placebo. And while it’s possible that the placebo effect can have some beneficial effect, that doesn’t justify the existence of homeopathy.

God I hate this pseudoscience bullshit.

Skyhighatrist,

There’s absolutely nothing scientific about Homeopathy, despite what its practitioners would have you believe.

QTpi,

Full moons do not have an impact on people with mental illness, make weird things happen, increase work load, or increase the chance of going into labor. I have worked in three separate hospitals in three separate states and the consensus is: full moons bring out the crazies and the babies.

bouh,

Statistics shows that the belief is wrong. It’s funny I think that despite the hard numbers the people working there still strongly believe it.

milicent_bystandr,

Unrelated - kind of - but I believe there are two documented cases of obscure programming bugs that manifest according to the phase of the moon!

doctorcrimson,

That’s actually really interesting, the medical professionals I’ve been acquainted with never seemed to mention that theory to begin with.

theherk,

Hypothesis*, and it is very popular with nurses. Unfortunate, but people still believe many strange things.

themeatbridge,

It’s entirely confirmation bias. The crazies come out, must be a full moon. It isn’t? Oh, then it’s just a bad day. It is a full moon? See, I told ya. Full moon and no crazies? Didn’t even notice.

QTpi,

I have witnessed this exchange >.<

TheSpermWhale,
@TheSpermWhale@lemmy.world avatar

I believe there have been multiple studies that found that full moons affect most people sleeping and make sleep a bit harder

KittenBiscuits,

I sleep in a completely blacked out room yet I know when it’s near the full moon because my sleep gets very broken and restless.

themeatbridge,

The only difference between a full moon and a new moon is how much light it reflects towards the earth. The moon is still there. If there were some sort of magnetic or gravitational effect on you while you slept, the effect would be the same whether the sun was shining on the side you can see or not.

rbhfd,

The reason there is a difference in how much light is reflected, is because the moon is in a different position. During a new moon, it’s on the day side of the earth (so in between the sun and the earth) while during a full moon, it’s on the night side.

So there could theoretically be a gravitational effect, although I don’t think it would impact anyone’s sleep.

If anyone is noticing a difference in sleep quality, it’s most likely indeed to do with the amount of light.

NAXLAB,

It’s not true. Your observations may be affected by confirmation, bias, or other things.

dukehealth.org/…/myth-or-fact-more-women-go-labor…

However, barometric pressure can apparently induce labor

QTpi,

The first part is what my husband tells me.

I do recognize that Medical Laboratory Scientists are a very superstitious lot especially funny since our degree and certification include Scientist. Don’t say it’s slow or quiet because it’s getting to get stupid busy (and everyone will blame you). Don’t run quality control more than required because you are tempting failure and will have to do a look back of all the testing to make sure it was accurate. We jokingly put an elf on the shelf out that had FDA written on the hat and the FDA showed up for an unannounced inspection a week later. I’m a Lead and every time I bring my Lead work to the bench with me, we get so busy with patient samples and orders that I can’t touch it. All are definitely confirmation bias situations.

pruwybn,
@pruwybn@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

Not sure why you mentioned chiropractors, I thought this was about scientific things.

ryven,
@ryven@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

That mothers shouldn’t co-sleep with infants. Every other primate I know of co-sleeps with their offspring. Until very recently every human mother co-slept with her infants, and in like half of the globe people still do. Many mothers find it incredibly psychologically stressful to sleep without their infant because our ancestors co-slept every generation for hundreds of thousands of years.

I would bet money that forcing infants to sleep alone has negative developmental effects.

bouh,

What I’ve heard was that it is to build independence for the child, so the parent can leave the child to sleep and do something else. It depends on the age I guess.

cynar,

The reason for this is that we tend to sleep deeper now than our ancestors. Because of this, we are more prone to roll onto a baby, and not wake up.

It can still be done, you just have to avoid things like alcohol, that stop you waking. You also need to make sure your sleeping position is safe. Explaining this to exhausted parents is unreliable, however. Hence the advice Americans seem to be given.

Fyi, if people want a halfway point, you can get cosleeping cribs. They attach to the side of the bed. Your baby can be close to you, while also eliminating the risk of suffocating them.

milicent_bystandr,

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  • bitwaba,

    Fyi, you triple posted.

    milicent_bystandr,

    Thanks. I was having connection troubles.

    milicent_bystandr,

    I think something on the UK’s NHS implied the risk is primarily for mothers with various kinds of problems (including drug or alcohol abuse). Made me wonder if it’s largely recommended for everyone to cover the many people who are at risk but don’t want to think they are.

    cynar,

    A lot of the advice is almost insultingly obvious. You get treated like you have a single digit IQ. After a couple of months, I fully understand why we were treated like that! It’s a fight to keep your iq in double digits!

    The baby shaking one is the big one. It’s obvious, you don’t shake your baby. It’s also obvious that they can be safe, even while screaming. After 2 hours of constant crying, combined with sleep deprivation, I fully understand why they reiterated not to shake your baby, the urge was alarmingly strong! It also made sense why they pointed out you could leave them to scream, if you really needed to. So long as they are clean safe and fed, 10 minutes down the garden is completely acceptable.

    With the original advice, telling when it will apply to you is harder than you think. The default advice has to be to play it safe. Some can be deviated from, some can’t. Deviations must be consciously made however.

    ChexMax,

    Maybe if you can avoid stuff like alcohol (easy for most) but also you can avoid sleep deprivation - way harder with little to no maternal leave and forget about paternal leave here in the US.

    If you (Royal you, not parent commenter) can live with yourself if a tragedy occurs on your watch while you are flaunting medical advice, then go ahead and risk it, but otherwise yes! Buy the bedside attached crib!

    cynar,

    In the UK, it’s not an absolute no, but a “be careful”. Interestingly, my wife’s sleep habits changed considerably. She was instinctively aware of where our baby was, even while asleep.

    The main dangers seem to be either the dad (my instincts were far less affected) or a sedated mum. It also becomes a lot less risky when the baby can move. Our daughter was perfectly capable of making her comfort concerns felt.

    It’s not zero risk, but it’s far lower than you might think. New mother sleep deprivation is quite different to normal sleep deprivation. I see why the default advice is what it is, however.

    AustralianSimon,
    @AustralianSimon@lemmy.world avatar

    The other thing is SIDS, if the baby can’t lift their head from a suffocation position they suffocate.

    We have ours sleep in a cosleep crib beside the bed so you get the closeness and can make contact in the night.

    duffman,

    The Big Bang being a singular event that only happened once, as if we are so special we just happen to be at the point of time, within the spectrum of infinity where matter is in a state that can support life. (I’m not aware if that’s the prevailing theory anymore)

    Also the double slit experiment. We aren’t a phantom observers, we are impacting the experiment. With our equipment.

    GoosLife,

    I don’t think a unique big bang has ever been the prevailing theory in science. If you ask science what happens before the big bang, the answer is “we don’t know”, and if you ask has there been other big bangs, you might get a “not that we’ve observed”, but science has not attempted to explain what happened before the big bang because in the most literal sense, we just don’t have the data to make an attempt.

    Predictions do state that the future of the universe will look different from the beginning of the universe (by which I mean the universe since our big bang) and the maths suggest that before the big bang, we think there was a singularity of incredible density, but that doesn’t really deal with how many other big bangs there can have been.

    supamanc,

    We don’t have to be special though. We can only exist at certain points in space time, under certain conditions. Those conditions are currently met, therfore we can exist, regardless of the infinite time/space conditions where we can’t.

    doctordevice, (edited )

    On your second point, that’s what the science actually says. “Observer” or “observation” is used in a scientific sense and was probably a poor word choice. Science journalism gets carried away with anything that has the word “quantum” in it and it drives us mad.

    You’re absolutely right that the mechanism that’s causing the wave function to collapse is the presence of whatever piece of equipment the particle is hitting. Whether that collapse happens at the two slits or the back wall changes the pattern, and that change is what shows wave-particle duality.

    Also: physics doesn’t claim to know that the Big Bang only happened once. That’s just as far back as we can rewind with our current models. This is again something that science journalism takes a lot of liberty with.

    brain_in_a_box,

    You’re absolutely right that the mechanism that’s causing the wave function to collapse is the presence of whatever piece of equipment the particle is hitting.

    It’s by no means clear that this is true; it depends on where you fall on interpretational questions. Hell, probably the leading approaches suggest that the wave function doesn’t collapse at all, it just appears to when our brains become entangled with the experiment.

    SorteKanin,
    @SorteKanin@feddit.dk avatar

    the leading approaches suggest that the wave function doesn’t collapse at all, it just appears to when our brains become entangled with the experiment.

    Aren’t you just moving the point of the wave collapse from the experiment to inside the brain? I mean if the wave function never collapsed, shouldn’t we see all superpositions at once? But instead, the brain seems to collapse to one possibility, i.e. still collapsing the wave function.

    brain_in_a_box,

    Kind of, but technically no. The idea is, when doing the double slit experiment, that you start with two essentially separate wave-functions; the wave function of the particle, which is in a super position of going through slit A and slit B, and the wave function of the experimenter/surrounding world, which is in a singular defined state.

    However, by doing a measurement, the experimenter entangles their wave function with the wave function of the particle, forming one wave function for the whole system, which evolves into a super position of ‘particle goes through slit A and the observer measures the particle going through slit A’ and ‘particle goes through slit B and the observer measures the particle going through slit B’.

    Importantly, the super position doesn’t contain a portion for ‘the observer measures both outcomes at the same time’, so there’s no way for us to see all superposition’s at once.

    The question of why we only experience measuring one outcome is exactly the same as the question of why an identical twin only experiences one life, and not both, essentially.

    SorteKanin,
    @SorteKanin@feddit.dk avatar

    Importantly, the super position doesn’t contain a portion for ‘the observer measures both outcomes at the same time’, so there’s no way for us to see all superposition’s at once.

    I feel like here you’re just moving the goal post again, if you’ll excuse the expression :)

    Even if there is no superposition in which an observer sees both outcomes, there must be some point in space and/or time that decides which of the two superpositions we see. Whether that is in the experiment, in the brain or in consciousness or whatever. I mean we only see one superposition, so there must be something that “decides” (randomly as far as we know) which one it is. And that decision is a kind of collapse of the wave function, no?

    I am not a physicist though so this is just me rambling from my limited understanding.

    shinigamiookamiryuu,

    I’m infamous on Reddit as “that moon landing denier gal”. Sorry but I just don’t buy it. No goalpost was safe that decade and you don’t need the analytical videos to tell you that.

    doctorcrimson,

    I don’t agree with you but I thank you for participating in the prompt, and I want you to know that you have value.

    shinigamiookamiryuu,

    You’re welcome. Seeing the reaction, I’m wondering if people read the title of the OP and were expecting popular opinions. Lemmy is more Reddit than Lemmy probably wants to admit.

    nonagonOrc,
    @nonagonOrc@lemmy.world avatar

    Well there is not much meaningful discussion to be had about a decades old conspiracy theory that has been memed on plenty in the past. I think that is where the downvotes are coming from.

    shinigamiookamiryuu,

    If that’s the standard, there aren’t really a lot of meaningful discussions anywhere on this thread to be honest. Any documentaries on mothers co-sleeping with infants, humans fighting bears, or one for each of the three people denying the big bang theory?

    TrickDacy,

    All of those are more interesting topics than a dumb mega-debunked conspiracy theory. Seems like your standard for interesting is History channel at 2 am?

    shinigamiookamiryuu,

    You say that like the opposing standard for interesting ever had a timeslot on any channel. I wouldn’t hold this against anyone though, I for one am not one to be as judgy or to come to a question like this expecting narrative conformity.

    TrickDacy,

    This is all performative. You knew you’d draw ire and that was your goal. Otherwise you probably wouldn’t have announced you’re reddit famous for believing a slew of debunked lies

    spacecowboy,

    Some people are so boring that they have to have a schtick. This is hers. She doesn’t actually believe it.

    Edgy teenagers love to do this shit and sadly a lot of people never mature past that mindset.

    TrickDacy,

    Yikes

    shinigamiookamiryuu,

    So much for honestly answering the question OP had. What did people expect, the status quo?

    theKalash,

    Posting a decades long debunked conspiracy theory just isn’t a very interesting response.

    shinigamiookamiryuu,

    OP didn’t ask for interesting responses, OP asked for honest responses. Should I have been dishonest?

    theKalash,

    No, you’re reply is perfectly fine. It’s just boring, so it will get downvoted.

    shinigamiookamiryuu,

    TIL why people here downvote, i.e. in vain. So much for adding the downvoting feature.

    theKalash,

    I think it’s working pretty well.

    But if you don’t like it there are frontend that hide/disable votes for you.

    shinigamiookamiryuu,

    I’m not saying that, just saying it takes me by surprise people would be so open about using it so personally.

    bitwaba,

    What do you think about the event when about Buzz Aldrin punched a moonlanding denier in the face after they called him a coward, liar, and a thief?

    Genuinely curious. I know I can’t know for certain - I cant go back in time and ride on that rocket with them. But the guy that supposedly went there seems pretty convinced he did. Even if I did believe it was faked, I’d have a hard time believing he didn’t think he went.

    shinigamiookamiryuu,

    There wouldn’t be any other way I could think of it aside from it being nothing short of escalation. Aldrin’s defenders would later claim the accuser “cornered him”, but this is certainly neither true nor would make sense in the context. Sometimes the narrative is going to do what a narrative does, though I (unlike some here) do not judge others for having different conclusions than me.

    bitwaba,

    Cool, thanks for the response!

    shinigamiookamiryuu,

    You’re welcome :) I’m glad there’s at least one happy person here.

    TrickDacy,

    Disbelieving in evidence doesn’t make you more moral

    shinigamiookamiryuu,

    Judgment thereof does though.

    TwinTusks,
    @TwinTusks@bitforged.space avatar

    My main come back for this: It was the height of the Cold War and the Soviets didnt question it. Also, recently, the Chinese moon missions has photographs of modules left by the Apollo missions on the moon.

    shinigamiookamiryuu,

    To be fair, the Soviets also thought the space race to be all done with once they put their astronauts in orbit, and they weren’t really paying attention when America went to the moon.

    doctordevice,
    shinigamiookamiryuu,

    At the time anyways. Especially the population at large wasn’t interested. It strikes me as weird to say you’re not interested in proving superiority in a certain field when you are when the whole point of making a statement is to be declarative about it.

    MostlyHarmless,

    No they didn’t. They had their own moon program and announced their intentions to land in 1961 before the Americans announced in 1962

    …m.wikipedia.org/…/Soviet_crewed_lunar_programs

    shinigamiookamiryuu,

    If making a statement, why be quiet about it? That ruins the whole point of making a statement like how better someone is at something, doesn’t it? The civilian population in particular didn’t really care.

    MostlyHarmless,

    I don’t understand what you are saying. They had a moon landing program.

    Also, do you really think that if the Soviets had the opportunity to embarrass the Americans by proving the landing was fake, they wouldn’t take it? Of course they would. Instead they were able to track the Apollo mission all the way and knew it was real.

    shinigamiookamiryuu,

    But they also said they weren’t interested in the space race. Note that you can be interested in an endeavor other people are interested with without wanting to engage in a “race” with them. In this case they are claimed as being interested in showing off while simultaneously being insecure about said thing. I would be puzzled if someone’s method of showing off was precisely that, to not show off.

    You say the rest like they did see it that way, that we absolutely went to the moon. How do you think censorship works? There is plenty of documentation about the case against the moon landing. Despite looking like plot armor though, the power of our culture has promoted the counters to it over it though.

    MostlyHarmless,

    Even if the Soviets had given up on the space race, they still had a vested interest in embarrassing America. They had every motivation to prove that America faked it, but they didn’t do it, because they had all the evidence that it was real. They could track the space craft and listen in on the same signals everyone else did.

    All documentation against the moon landing has been thoroughly debunked many times. But you don’t care about that.

    You don’t have to trust the Americans, there is plenty of independent third party evidence from multiple sources

    …wikipedia.org/…/Third-party_evidence_for_Apollo_…

    brbposting,
    gamermanh,
    @gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    Bullshit you actually believe somethig that can be disproven by buying a $60 kids toy and looking up at the moon through it

    Or at least, you only believe it at this point because changing your view would rock your tiny world too much

    chicken,

    Science articles that reference paywalled journals you can’t actually read. Most of them are probably making stuff up because they know no one will be able to call them out on it.

    friendlymessage,

    Unfortunately, most scientific papers are behind paywalls, especially the most prestigious journals. So this doesn’t make much sense.

    chicken,

    ??? That’s exactly why it makes sense though?

    PrinceWith999Enemies,

    First, let me start off by saying that I agree with what I believe your actual premise is (or should be) - that articles in science journals should not be behind paywalls. I’m strictly against the practice, I think it’s a massive scam, and so does everyone I know who does research. I have paid to open source every paper I’ve published. Well, not me personally. But thank you taxpayers for funding me to not only do my work but to make sure you have access to it too. I’ll talk about this more at the end.

    With that out of the way, I’d like to mention a couple of things. First, the scam is on the part of the academic journals, not the researchers or the journalists writing the articles. It’s not part of some scam to hide the fact that the journalist is making crap up. If the authors were unwilling or unable to pay the fees for open sourcing their papers ($3-5k when I was doing it several years ago), then you’re either going to be in an institution that has a subscription to the journal or you’re going to have to find some way of acquiring it.

    Search for the exact title in quotes. Sometimes the Google Scholar engine will return with the default link to the pay walled page, sometimes it’ll have a link to a prepublication server. Arxiv is one of the more popular ones for physics, math, and computer science of all stripes. Step 2 is to go to the institution web page of the first author. Very often, researchers will keep an updated list of their publications with links to the PDFs. If that still doesn’t work, you can write the author and request the paper. We love those emails. We love it when people read our work, especially when they’re so excited that they wrote to request a copy. None of these involve copyright infringement. That prepub that you get is the same paper (usually but you can confirm with the author if that’s a question), but possibly without the masthead and layout from the journal. It’s still cited the same.

    So, why are so many journals behind a paywall? Because the publishers want to monetize what today should be a cost free (or minimal) set of transactions. Here’s what happens:

    1. I have an idea for some research. If it’s good and I’m lucky, I get money from the government (or whomever) to do the work, and I use it to pay my expenses (salaries, materials, equipment, whatever). I also get taxed on it by my institution so they can pay the admins and other costs. When submitting a proposal, those are all line items in your budget. If you’re doing expensive research at an expensive institution, it’s pretty trivial to set aside $10-20k for pub fees. If your entire grant was $35k, that’s a lot harder to justify.
    2. You write the paper after doing the work. You don’t get paid to write the paper specifically - it’s part of the research that you are doing. The point here is that, unlike book authors, researchers see zero of any money you’d pay for the article. If you do locate a copyrighted copy, you’re not taking a dime out of my pocket. Again, just thrilled someone’s reading the damn thing.
    3. You pick a journal and send it in. The journal has a contact list of researchers and their fields, and sends out requests for reviewers. They usually require 2 or 3.
    4. The reviewers read the paper making notes on questions they have and recommend revisions before publication. Reviewing is an unpaid service researchers do because we know that’s how it works. The irony is that it challenges the academic notion of the tragedy of the commons. You could be a freeloader and never review, but enough people do it that the system keeps rolling.
    5. You revise, reviewers approve, publisher accepts and schedules date. There can be some back and forth here (this is a legitimate publisher expense, but the level of effort and interaction isn’t like with a book editor).
    6. Your paper comes out.

    As you can see, the role of the publisher is very small in the overall amount of effort put into getting an idea from my head into yours. At one point publishers had an argument that the small circulation numbers for things like The Journal of Theoretical Biology justified their $21k/year institutional subscription price.

    And I shouldn’t have saved this til the end, but for the one person who skimmed down to see where all of this was going:

    Any science article / press release that cites a paper whether or not you have access to it at least is citing something that has undergone peer review. Peer review can only do so much and journal quality has a wide range, but it’s about the best we have. If it’s a big enough deal to actually matter and the media in question has wide enough reach to care, then it will get back to the author who can then clarify.

    bitwaba,

    Just because you said you guys love it when people read your work, I thought I’d let you know I read your entire comment.

    PrinceWith999Enemies,

    Thank you!

    BearGun,

    Thank you for the write up, very interesting!

    chicken,

    Appreciate the thoughtful and in-depth response. My worry is more that a science article’s editorialized interpretation of the paper may be wrong or misleading, than that the public isn’t very able to scrutinize the quality of science in the paper itself. Waiting for a possible email response from a researcher is pretty much always going to be a little too high effort for someone wanting to spend a few minutes comparing claims in the article and claims in the paper to potentially call bullshit on discrepancies between them in an online comment.

    PrinceWith999Enemies,

    I absolutely agree with you there. I just commented a short time ago on an article about the effects of primate vocalizations on the human brain. The article not only got the conclusion of the paper wrong, they got the very nature of evolution wrong. I didn’t even have to read the paper - I haven’t gotten to it yet. It’s admittedly the kind of mistake non-biologists make. Journalists should probably avoid drawing conclusions that aren’t specifically in the source material. My point is that, going off of the author’s quotes the pulled and my own knowledge of evolutionary dynamics, I knew it was wrong. However, I am not at all sure that someone without a background in biology would be able to understand the paper well enough to catch the error in the article.

    I am all for open access, and I share your frustration. I think you should be able to access any paper you want for free. But I’ll also say that if you don’t have the background in the subject to know what the underlying paper will have said, the chances are pretty good that you’re not going to understand the paper well enough to find the flaws.

    I used to talk to a physicist named Lee Smolin who proposed a Darwinian model for universe formation. I can follow the evolutionary part, but when it gets down to the physics of it, I’m lost at sea. So when I read an article about him - I read something about him recently - I mostly have to go on my basic understanding because there’s no way I’d make it through that paper.

    And literally the only reason I’m throwing this out there at all is that, unlike a physics paper that’s totally incomprehensible and obviously so, people believe in their own interpretations on social science or public health papers. I see more kinds of cherry-picking abuses and simple misunderstandings there than elsewhere.

    It’s great to see people so inquisitive though.

    chicken, (edited )

    I think most of the time it’s really not going to be as hard as all that, because the problem is something like, article makes broad claim based on a very easy to understand study where the data is results of survey questions. The paper clearly and explicitly outlined caveats and qualifications for their results, but the article chose to ignore these, so all that would be required to call them out on it is basic reading comprehension and the ability to copy paste a brief quote from the paper. Or maybe there are stark, obvious differences between the question asked in a survey and the claim of a clickbait headline.

    Even for something more complex, if the paper is well written I think people without a background in the field could get stuff out of it, at least enough to spot direct contradictions between it and a summary. It’s just reading. A lot of people can read and have some higher education.

    For that wikipedia article, I think it would make more sense if it expanded on “may differ slightly” and how that interacts with this criticism of black hole information transfer being impossible. Would that criticism imply the parameters for new universes must be always the same? Have infinite variance with no reference point? Not exist at all? Is “may differ slightly” a claim that each universe is a reference point around which the cosmological constants of child universes randomly vary a little bit and then there could be drift based on which constants result in a universe with more black holes? If that stuff was concisely clarified it would probably seem less arcane.

    veloxization,
    @veloxization@yiffit.net avatar

    I’ve had a field day while writing my thesis recently, realising I could bypass the paywalls by accessing the papers through the university proxy. It’s still bs, though, because it leaves this stuff only accessible to researchers and not your regular people who may be interested.

    Though like PrinceWith999Enemies said, many paper writers will happily send you a copy if you email them about it.

    doctorcrimson,

    To add onto that, whenever a newspaper says “based on the findings of researchers at [Random University]” but they don’t list the citation anywhere at all. That is just evil, but somehow industry standard.

    ShittyBeatlesFCPres,

    I’ve always thought the classic Hunter - Gatherer gender division of labor was bullshit. I think that theory has gone out of fashion but I always thought it seemed like a huge assumption. It seems so much more plausible to me that everybody hunted some days (like during migration patterns) and gathered others. Did they even have the luxury of purely specialized roles before agriculture and cities?

    Another reason I think that is because prehistoric hunting was probably way different than we imagine. Like, we imagine tribes of people slaying mammoths with only spears. It was probably more traps and tricks. Eventually, using domesticated dog or a trained falcon or something.

    bouh,

    The hunter-gatherer gender division is actually proven wrong now.

    Also, hunting mammoths was a very rare activity. I would expect it to be some kind of desperate activity in fact. People weren’t more crazy than we are, they would rather live than to be trampled by a mammoth.

    BingoBangoBongo,

    That makes sense. There were tons of other smaller creatures around, why would you mess with something that’s like a boar up sized 30 times.

    GoofSchmoofer,
    @GoofSchmoofer@lemmy.world avatar

    When you start looking at older debunked theories that lasted for a long time you can see the human bias in them. Not just a human bias but a a western bias.

    Two that stick out for me:

    Trees compete for sunlight - I think it makes sense to us humans because we compete for resources but in truth trees are way more ‘community’ based

    The male alpha wolf - It’s how the western world has been organized for centuries so it’s easy to see that in a wolf pack even though its not true.

    KISSmyOS,

    Hunting was mostly running a marathon while tracking until the animal collapses.
    No reason to believe women didn’t participate in that.

    HeavyRaptor,

    I don’t think I ever heard that hunters and gatherers would have been divided by gender.

    weariedfae,

    This has to be a troll comment. I’m utterly bemused.

    HonoraryMancunian,

    Haha, if fucking mammoths were scared of falcons then they deserved to go extinct

    Goodman, (edited )

    I am pretty sure that modern archeology agrees with you in at least some ways (know an archeologist, not an archeologist). I don’t have any specific evidence for mammoth trapping but there are these really interesting stone funnel traps that were used to trap gazelle herds …blogspot.com/…/ancient-gazelle-killing-zones.htm…

    Also consider how long humans have walked the earth as hunter gatherers. Agriculture goes back to around 10.000 BCE. The entirety of time between 300.000 BCE and 10.000 BCE was likely (mostly) spent as hunter gatherers. Imagine in how many ways local roles and culture could have differed in that time!

    Waluigis_Talking_Buttplug,

    I always assumed that hunter gatherer division was mostly down to the individual, some traits make some better at hunting than others.

    I struggle to locate static objects, I for the fucking life of me just can’t see it. I’ll be looking for something and either look right over it or walk past it multiple times

    But if I go outside and look in the trees I can spot all the squirrels within seconds. Not like that’s a talent or anything special, but my point is that I’d starve if I had to look for food in the brush, and likely I imagine these types of traits are what defined who did what job, meaning who was good at what, and likely considering lots of hunting was endurance based and not skill based at all, then most adults probably participated to some degree.

    I’ve also gone shroom hunting and had to come back empty handed because I can’t see the god damned things.

    Pyroglyph,
    @Pyroglyph@lemmy.world avatar

    Is this why I could never find stuff and then when my mother looked she would just go right to it?

    Waluigis_Talking_Buttplug,

    Yeah, exactly that. It’s RIGHT FUCKING THERE but I’m not gonna see it.

    Swedneck,
    @Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

    i’m rather convinced that stuff like ADHD and autism was at least co-opted by evolution (if not outright created by it) because tribes with a certain percentage of it had an advantage.

    For example ADHD seems great for foraging, that provides the stimulation that is desired and the ability to completely lose track of time is pretty nice to stave away boredom from trudging through the forest for hours on end;
    and autism is pretty obvious in how a defining feature is having special interests that you LOVE doing and get extremely competent in.

    I myself have autism and i have no doubt that in a hunter-gatherer tribe i would have been having a blast creating tools and stuff like wicker baskets and trying to improve them as much as i can.

    chocolatine,

    You can read the dawn of everything book which is a very interesting take at a lot of those assumptions which are indeed false. This book goes deep into the ideological bias scientists have when interpreting evidence.

    balderdash9,

    the ideological bias scientists have when interpreting evidence

    Surprised you didn’t get downvoted here. It’s like if you tell people science is done by humans and humans arre flawed people flip out and call you a science-denier.

    Zozano, (edited )

    One of the first things you’re taught to understand when interpreting data is that you have a bias. It is impossible not to have a bias.

    Take for example: 1+1=2. Is it an extremely simple equation, or a decades long mathematical pursuit to establish certainty?

    Our bias tells us we can confidently assert such simple statements, but the truth is, unless we spend an agonising length of time understanding the most insignificant and asinine facts, we NEED biases to understand the world.

    The point of understanding we have biases is to think more critically about which ones are most obviously wrong.

    Sterile_Technique,
    @Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world avatar

    I saw a study that concluded toilet seats in public restrooms were actually one of the cleanest surfaces in the restroom. Don’t dispute that - it just means that the entire area lands somewhere in the spectrum between disgusting and eldritch nightmare. Due to the finding that the toilet seats were cleaner than most other surfaces in the restroom, it further concluded that it was perfectly safe to just plop down bare-assed onto that nastiness.

    Abso-fucking-lutely not. The toilet paper bird-nest is a must. A few layers of splash protection toilet paper in the water before I even sit down is a must. ‘Ick’ factor aside, there are enough contact acquired pathogens to justify extreme caution in environments like that. I ain’t risking ass warts over some hypothesis, study, full-blown peer reviewed theory, or anything in between.

    smooth_jazz_warlady,

    There is something to be said for using squat toilets instead of sitting toilets in public bathrooms, so long as there are properly cleaned sitting toilets for the elderly and disabled (I have seen some shocking disabled public bathrooms over the years)

    glomag,
    glomag avatar

    It's probably bad form to bring this type of comment over from reddit but in this case I can't help myself.

    Username checks out.

    lunarul,

    Not just compared to the other surfaces in a restroom. I believe keyboards and phones both lost to toilet seats in that comparison too.

    doctorcrimson,

    I could see it in Quantity but not the qualities of the pathogens. A disease contracted from a toilet that has had contact with blood and feces versus a grimy membrane keyboard shouldn’t even be a contest.

    DrRatso,

    Look, as long as you don’t hover-squat or use other techniqies that make it more dirty, you can autoclave the toilet before using it for all I care, so long as that means you actually sit down. I hate seeing poop stains on the rim. That said I will usually sit down without a buffer.

    PP_BOY_,
    @PP_BOY_@lemmy.world avatar

    I’m incapable of coming to terms with the scientific fact that a 194cm male could not take a grizzly bear in a fight

    UndercoverUlrikHD,

    Is your height 194 by chance?

    burgersc12,

    Maybe if he was 195cm ?

    doctorcrimson,

    I can respect that, but stay out of the enclosure.

    Hubi, (edited )
    @Hubi@lemmy.world avatar

    Sorry to disappoint, but I am 200cm tall and I would get annihilated in an instant.

    SeeMinusMinus,
    @SeeMinusMinus@lemmy.world avatar

    I don’t believe that fire played as big as a role in early human development that scientists claim. There are cases of modern humans eating raw rotten meat and being fine. A lot of the chemical shit that goes down when meat rots has a lot of the same effects of cooking it. There are plenty of ways to do a thing and we should view it as lots of useful things instead of one end all.

    arquebus_x,

    Do you mean early human development biologically, or early human development overall (including culturally)? Because if the latter, humans using fire to cook meat was probably significantly less important than humans using fire for heat and light.

    roguetrick,

    I think the answer is complicated. Homo erectus, the first homo species thought to use fire and our direct ancestors were as close to obligate carnivores as there is in the homo genus, but they focused on big animals with a lot of fat like hippos and elephants. They likely did not cook that fat, because it would store just fine without doing so.

    fruitycoder,

    I know Greek mythology is very centered on the idea of fire being a defining things that made man civilizable. From Prometheus to the sacredness around keeping hearths lit.

    Curious how many other mythos carry on those ideas tbh

    A_A,
    @A_A@lemmy.world avatar

    The Big Bang Theory, … and this despite the fact that I believe the universe is expanding now. This expansion is still accelerating so the small acceleration itself could result in the expansion (speed distribution) without having to postulate an extremely rapid acceleration at time zero and other ludicrous extreme physical conditions.

    … and yes I know also about the cosmological microwave background’s perfect black body curve and such observations.

    bitwaba,

    I believe one of the theories for a multiverse is that Inflation never ended, it is just a continually ongoing process in which out universe “bubbled” out of it. Other universes would have bubbled up too, and we “should” be able to see evidence of collisions between those other bubbles and our own bubble in the CMB, which there has been a little bit of success in finding.

    Redditgee,

    Oh, nooow I see why people just say it was god.

    HopeOfTheGunblade,
    HopeOfTheGunblade avatar

    Is there a competing theory you find more compelling? "I don't know what happened" is fine, but if there's something else I haven't heard of that could explain the facts as we know them I'm interested in learning about it.

    A_A,
    @A_A@lemmy.world avatar

    Some interesting developments here :
    en.m.wikipedia.org/…/Modified_Newtonian_dynamics#…
    … still not really satisfying for me.
    (this is for @FooBarrington as well)

    FooBarrington,

    How do you explain the CMBR?

    admiralteal,

    Cosmic Inflation is a good one to read up on if you never have. Because the slow acceleration we observe right now in the expansion is actually vastly inadequate to explain what we see now, so the big bang theory currently involves spacetime itself having to go through a few phase changes that are hard to wrap your head around.

    DogWater,

    They problem is that the universe is bigger than the speed of light allowed for. One thing I have seen on YouTube from HistoryoftheUniverse is that inflation was possible because it was the inflation of the universe itself which would not be inherently restricted to the cosmic speed limit ©

    tal,
    @tal@lemmy.today avatar

    I mean, define “scientific”. A currently-held, consensus theory? Because it’s easy to find theories that were developed in accordance with scientific theory, held for a while, but discarded.

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aether_theories

    In physics, aether theories (also known as ether theories) propose the existence of a medium, a space-filling substance or field as a transmission medium for the propagation of electromagnetic or gravitational forces. “Since the development of special relativity, theories using a substantial aether fell out of use in modern physics, and are now replaced by more abstract models.”

    doctorcrimson,

    Reminds me of Electrogravitics, those old coots were silly.

    RainfallSonata,

    Baader-Meinhof phenomenon.

    reddig33,

    I know in print journalism, you will certainly start noticing trending words go viral through the journalism community. Like the word “slammed” showing up in headlines repeatedly. Or the word “tony” to describe something ritzy/expensive that was trending a couple of years ago.

    atx_aquarian,
    @atx_aquarian@lemmy.world avatar

    Did anyone else notice a reporting trend years ago where everyone was “tapping” everyone? They used it to mean a newly elected/appointed person recruited or perhaps sometimes consulted someone else, but it was around the time the term was also hot in pop culture where, of course, it means something entirely different.

    TrickDacy,

    Slammed Is absolutely abysmal.

    Chozo,
    Chozo avatar

    I keep hearing about this one lately.

    DogWater,

    It’s actually the simulation. It’s not coincidence, it’s not that we just noticed that thing and it’s everywhere. It’s the simulation running out of ram.

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