I'm super interested to know/see the Venn diagram of :emacs: Emacs and :rstats: R users. 😏
I myself use Rstudio for work and Emacs ESS for my personal projects. So far I have managed to have a very comfortable setup for my Rstudio, but my ESS config can use some feedback/comment, especially from seasoned ESS users.
@Danwwilson
Perhaps I can help 😏 I have my own config of Emacs which is mostly default keybindings. I have explained how to set it up and what are the keybindings for an absolute beginner. I have also write the whole config in org-mode which means every section of config is documented similar to how you would write RMarkdown file.
@mdsumner@Mehrad@rstats yeah, you’ve got a few more options. I saw a vid (or at least half before I fell asleep exhausted) about setting up rstats with neovim. So I might try that at first, but not sure if it will let me have multiple files open. Learning vim has been helpful, bu their is still so much potential I haven’t even been exposed to or explored.
@Danwwilson@Mehrad@rstats with #orgmode you have a lot of options here: you can open and edit files on the server in your local emacs. Or you can edit local files on a local emacs, but run the code on a remote server.
It's a little roundabout, but I even use this system for editing multiple #rstats scripts on a local machine, and submitting them as #slurm jobs to a remote cluster. I have been meaning to write this up for a while, maybe later in the summer
@Danwwilson@Mehrad@rstats What e personally do on servers is to run emacs directly in the cli, and because my configuration is git clone away I don't mind having to configure it in several places (I use spacemacs btw).
I am in a mix, I used Emacs+ESS but now I mostly use it for org. I stopped because they were too much to learn before feeling at home like in VScode or Rstudio.
@milesmcbain@Mehrad@rstats you mean, have they trimmed the features down so it doesn't blow away migrants from RStudio? 😉
To be fair it was a bit rough for a while a few years back, but that's mostly smoothed away now. The only lingering issue I have is the font locking can be a bit iffy, getting stuck in the wrong mode.
But it handles inserting citations very nicely, does RStudio do that yet? That's not built in to polymode, it uses a few other packages. I need to write up my notes for that too.
@milesmcbain@Mehrad@rstats ah, interesting. That has never been an issue for me. I imagine it would depend on how big your documents get, and maybe the platform?
The Emacs learning curve was too steep for me 20 years ago at university, but I got into vim and enjoy that.
Saying that, I've never met an Emacs user who doesn't enthuse about it though (survival bias, obviously, but people don't enthuse as much about other editors).
@Mehrad Some time ago I created a survey about preferred R IDEs (https://forms.gle/gPAPvfVfp4AN4Gwk7). However, the response was underwhelming so I never did anything with the data.
@Mehrad This is what the Venn diagram looks like 😛:
(let ((svg (svg-create 300 200)))
(cl-loop for color in '("red" "blue") and x from 100 by 100
do (svg-circle svg x 100 80 :fill color :fill-opacity 0.5))
(cl-loop for lbl in '("Emacs" "Both" "R") and x from 55 by 75
do (svg-text svg lbl :x x :y 100))
(with-current-buffer-window "svg" nil nil
(svg-print svg)
(image-mode)))
@Mehrad is the assumption here that if you're not using emacs you're using rstudio? I was in the vim for R camp for a while and recently started using helix primarily.
@dgkf
Imho at the end of the day, a good IDE is something that feels like an extension to your body. I switched from Nvim to Emacs because of poor code folding (I use that a lot), and Doom Emacs was not good enough. So a kind friend taught me the Emacs in the most GNU way possible and helped me to understand and design my own config. It is still far from nirvana, but it is getting there. 😅
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