After 2 - 3 weeks of trying both @protonmail and @fastmail I have decided to fully switch to Proton going forward.
With Proton you get email, ProtonPass, Proton VPN and other stuff. You also get 500GB of storage instead of the measly little 100GB of storage that Fastmail offers. Notifications on Fastmail were also VERY VERY delayed most of the time, on both Android and iOS.
@shortwavesurfer2009 I get notifications on both Android and iOS without problems. On Android, I use Google Play Services, so I don't know what the experience is like without Google Play Services.
@cliffwade@protonmail@fastmail Without Google Play Services on Android, you do not get Proton mail notifications at all. I have never had a notification from the Proton app and have been using it for years without play services. In my opinion, they either need to integrate unified push support or do a check for new messages say once an hour.
@shortwavesurfer2009@cliffwade@fastmail Thanks for the feedback, well share it with the team. For now, to clarify, Proton push notifications on Android and Apple are encrypted.
@TheRealStu@DragonD@cliffwade Hi! We'd just like to correct you on this - you can have an unlimited number of email aliases on several Proton subscriptions: Proton Pass Plus, Proton Unlimited, Proton Family, Proton Visionary, and Proton Business.
@cliffwade@protonmail@fastmail Thanks for the input. Proton was my next to really give it a trial. As you know, I’m needing a cross-platform password manager which I’m currently using Bitwarden and loving.
For email, I’ll probably just forward my gmail and outlook to my iCloud though. VPN, I’m still trying to find that “one”.
@beardedtechguy it just works, I had been using it for my podcast, and decided to dump gmail and use my domain mail for my main personal email as well, just forwarded my other inboxes in.
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@cliffwade@protonmail I love Proton and understand the requirement, but man being forced to use their client on mobile is frustrating as it’s not great.
@nairb_db While I don't use mobile very often, as I'm at my PC 95% of the time, what is it about their mobile app that isn't good? And are you referring to their Android or iOS app?
@cliffwade it’s just the inability to use the account with anything else and being forced to use the official app, It’s not horrible, I just want to only have to use a single app for mail.
It was a VERY HARD thing for me to do. But I sat down a few weeks ago and said you know what, I'm not going to keep putting this off and I made the switch. Tried both Fastmail and Proton, and now I've made my decision to stick with Proton all the way.
@cliffwade I’ve used apple’s paid mail services for about 20 years now… and then also gmail, but only for the past 12 years or so. Thanks for reminding me to take a deeper look into alternatives. :)
@cliffwade I’ve been using a paid-for Fastmail plan for years but I was using Proton more and more for stuff like their Drive as well as email. I was initially attracted by the privacy aspect but it also worked out cheaper to just switch to them for everything. Was also using 1Password and another VPN but I’ve now got the Proton package that has all of that so made sense to fully switch. Once Proton added the Snooze function, that was my cue to jump ship 😊
@Psionmark Ah, very nice! I originally thought as well that Fastmail was the better option for me since I was only going to do email. I had already paid for the ProtonVPN a year or so ago, but as stated, rarely used it. But now I'm going to force myself to use it, since I have the Proton bundle as well.
In the end, it comes out to be a bit more expensive than Fastmail I believe, but I get a LOT more stuff with Proton, obviously.
@cliffwade yeah that’s the way I looked at it. I was “saving” the cost of 1Password and a third party VPN so Proton worked out cheaper for me and also provides with me with the secure drive etc. It’s a good service. Now I just need to try and convince people that privacy is worthwhile lol.
@lomanfeusagach I am a paying customer. I already had their VPN but rarely use it, but trying to change that. I will likely switch from Bitwarden over to ProtonPass and then pay for the mail side of things.
@cliffwade@protonmail I have been reviewing it to swap out the family plan I have with Google. Up until a little while ago the lack of backups for photos was a sticking point, which they added recently. I will probably miss Google Photos most and a little of Google Workspace, but not that far away from making the move soon. YouTube Premium is the bit that is taking up the relevant funds for the moment and that is very difficult to replace.
Walking away from Google Photos would be super difficult for me, but something I could see doing relatively soon. Thing is, everything there stays, so not like I'd lose it. Just switch to something new and new stuff would be there.
Google Workspace I personally don't use. I use Google Drive, so I need to see about moving that stuff over to Proton Drive, though that will take up a ton of my space! I have a LOT in Drive.
@Fred I've been with Gmail since long before they were public and long before invites were public. I got in super early, so about 20 - 21 years now.
I never thought, not even 2 - 3 years ago, that I'd ever consider paying for email, much less actually paying for it. I don't think I'll ever go back to a free email service.
@cliffwade@protonmail@fastmail besides the Gmail privacy advertisement conversation. What would be some other reasons you would tell me to convince me to leave Gmail for a paid service? Just wondering
@Fred Privacy is number one. Lack of spam and ads of course as well.
The ability to mask your email and create throw-away email addresses basically. Think virtual credit card numbers. Give a site the email address you create so they don't know your actual email address, then delete it if you need to.
Much better UI on desktop. I use Simplify for Gmail, created by ex Google Inbox for Gmail developer, to make it look better. Proton/Fastmail neither one need that.
@Fred Also, thanks to @jcrabapple of course, I'm now paying for search as well. I am now using Kagi as my search engine and not using Google any longer, which again, I've been using for 25+ years.
Same story, weird to pay for something we've done for free for decades, but search results are so much better and not ton of crap to sift through to find what you're looking and you avoid all the tracking links and all of that mess.
@Fred Paying for email is a tough thing to consider, especially with someone like us who has used a service like Gmail forever now. But it's really turning in to a thing that needs to be done for reasons mentioned prior.
I also imported most of my important emails that I needed/wanted from Gmail into both Proton and Fastmail. Super simple to do.
@Fred@cliffwade Happy to hear this Cliff! If you have any questions, don't hesitate to contact us here. This applies to you too, Fred, once you start making your switch :)
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