Stalinwolf, (edited )
@Stalinwolf@lemmy.ca avatar

I still don’t know how I did it, but when I’d fake sick as a child my mom would leave the room for a bit while the thermometer stuck in my mouth, beneath my tongue. I would then breath the “hottest” air I could muster repeatedly from my lungs, believing that it would bring the thermometer up to fever levels… and it always worked.

Did I just have a really chill mom who recognized when I didn’t want to go? Or could this absurd method actually trick a traditional thermometer into going up?

MrFunnyMoustache,

Boils my blood…

phorq,

That would be if that temperature was in Celsius, luckily it’s freedom units…

echodot,

As an employer I would be concerned that my employees aren’t bright enough to lie to me properly.

Anticorp,

And that their professionalism is so low they’re comfortable dropping f bombs in texts right after lying.

OceanSoap,

Eh, depends on how the boss is.

Like, I drop f-bombs in front of one of my bosses, but would never in front of the other.

shuzuko,

Depends on the size and industry of the company usually, too. My boss, coworkers and I swear all the fucking time, but it’s literally 4 of us and we don’t interact with customers in person or over the phone.

Vespair,

Do you work in a church? In the real world, most adults are absolutely fine with profanity. This isn’t a professional email to corporate or a circular meant for the general public, it’s a text to a direct boss. “Fuck” isn’t outside established decorum here.

Anticorp,

You and I have very different standards for how we speak to our bosses then.

jjjalljs,

It’s dystopian that so many people don’t have unlimited sick time.

Anticorp,

Unlimited? F’realz?

jjjalljs,

I’ve had unlimited sick time via “if you’re not well stay home” for like ten years. One job had limited vacation time (15 days to start that went up to 25 as you gained seniority), but the others has unlimited vacation time, too.

These have been small/medium startups.

johan,
@johan@feddit.nl avatar

Don’t know where you live but in the Netherlands you just stay home when you’re sick, that’s it.

I believe after two weeks you need a doctor’s note.

And then you’ll get paid for up to two years of illness, after which you can apply with the government for further assistance.

So not unlimited, but quite long still.

rijksoverheid.nl/…/regels-en-verplichtingen-bij-z…

BulbasaurBabu,

In the US if you’re sick they can just fire you the first day you’re gone. It’s great, I hardly know what to do with all this freedumb I have.

Anticorp,

Most jobs aren’t going to do that. They can technically fire you whenever they want, since it’s considered at-will employment, but the cost of finding and training a replacement usually lends some stability, even for low-level jobs.

baseless_discourse, (edited )

I understand U.S. system is VERY VERY fucked up, three day sick leave is no where close to enough; but I am quite confused of why people only need a doctor’s note after two weeks.

It seems quite reasonable if one haven’t recovered for a week (or been very sick for more than 3 days), it is best for them to see a doctor, especially with free health care in the Netherlands.

drev, (edited )

Edit: Sorry about this comment, it’s pretty useless, I just had time to kill waiting for my next flight. Reads like a fictional dystopian exaggeration, but it was my reality and continues to be reality for many others, unfortunately. TL;DR - anecdotes outlining how US working conditions can be brutally unforgiving, especially in the restaurant industry.

There’s 3 days sick leave in the US? When I was still living there, I got my 2nd write-up (3rd = termination) for not coming to work because I needed to go to the ER for an overdose. Side note: caffeine powder is way cheaper than coffee, but if you’re too broke to afford coffee, you’re too broke to afford a milligram scale reliable and accurate enough to prevent accidental overdose.

After breaking my 30+ day streak of 12-15 hour shifts (about 90-100 hours per week, was normally only 85 or so), I came back to work the next day with a doctor’s note, and my boss said “I don’t think you’re lying to me…” followed by 10 very long seconds of suspicious squinting and staring me down, “… But yesterday was Saturday, so I’m going to need to write you up”. You see, it was explicitly forbidden to call in sick on a Friday, Saturday, or Sunday.

Don’t let your loved ones work in restaurants, ESPECIALLY in the kitchen. I unfortunately couldn’t quit because I had no days off to apply for other jobs, and missing out on even one day of pay was the difference between covering bills AND food, or having to steal food to avoid homelessness. I legitimately considered choosing to be homeless temporarily as a way out, because I pretty much lived at work anyway, I only ever slept at the apartment. Granted, my situation was particularly bad because they were actually stealing 50% of my earned wages (~$8300 over 10 months, which I eventually got back after threats of litigation).

baseless_discourse,

I googled the law for several supposedly “progressive” state:

  • MA and OR provide earned sick leave, of 1 hour leave pre 30 hour worked. basically, one day off per month worked in the current year. However the law requires no more than 40 hour of leave per year for whatever reason?!
  • NY guarantees 40 - 56hr of sick leave for most employees

source:

Anticorp,

It’s completely dependent on the job, and that’s a problem. Good jobs offer ample time off, bad jobs offer the bare legal minimum. Unfortunately the legal minimum is really oppressive and causes a lot of people to go into work sick, getting everyone else sick in the process.

KevonLooney,

I think the idea is that you’re actually sick for a week, not “sick”. And can’t show them anything until you’re better. If you’ve ever been that sick, you know you can barely get out of bed to go to the bathroom.

LufyCZ,

Very much unrelated to this post

sugar_in_your_tea,

Disagree. Any form of “unlimited” time off gets heavy scrutiny. I’d rather have a generous PTO policy than an unlimited one.

That said, it’s distopian that anyone needs to send proof of being sick. That’s a symptom of a really toxic work culture.

TheRaven,
@TheRaven@lemmy.ca avatar

Right. Those with unlimited PTO take off only what they need, and not the strict number they get. Those with a set amount end up finding time to take off. It’s why companies moved over to “unlimited”. That, and the fact they don’t need to pay out your vacation when you leave.

sugar_in_your_tea,

No, they usually avoid taking time off even if they need it, because they get guilted into thinking it wouldn’t be approved or something, or that they’d be passed up for a promotion. Employers do it because it’s better for the company, not for the individual.

jjjalljs,

Maybe I’ve been lucky but in 10+ years of unlimited sick time, I’ve never been questioned about sick days.

Vacation time I think needs a minimum if you’re going to do unlimited, otherwise people aren’t sure what to take and may take less.

The worst policy I ever worked under was “limited sick days. Unused sick days get paid out as a bonus at the end of the year”. So everyone came in sick to get that sweet two weeks pay at the end of the year.

BulbasaurBabu,

I’ve heard tale of places that add the unused sick days to your retirement

sugar_in_your_tea,

Yeah, that’s awful.

I much prefer a fixed amount of PTO to “unlimited” mostly because the culture of companies that offer unlimited seem to discourage actually taking time off, which can lead to burnout. Obviously every company is different, but I’d much rather have a decent fixed amount of time off vs something where I’d feel guilty for abusing it. I currently get like 3.5 weeks, which is pretty decent for my field, and I’ll get a bump to 4.5 weeks in a couple years.

echodot,

Vacation time I think needs a minimum if you’re going to do unlimited, otherwise people aren’t sure what to take and may take less.

There’s no such thing as unlimited time off.

FooBarrington,

There is if you work at a decent place - or in a decent country.

echodot,

There is nowhere in the world that has it forever time off. You have a certain number of days you can take but there is no such thing as you can just take whatever you want. That doesn’t exist anywhere on earth. Do you think it does please link me to it.

jjjalljs,

It is very common for places to offer unlimited time off. They don’t mean literally you can take every day off and still get paid. Typically you still need to get your job done.

Similar to how many jobs have free snacks in the kitchen, but if you went and ate everything in there you’d probably get a talking to. Or most jobs let you go to the bathroom whenever you need, but if you sat on the shitter all day every day it would be a problem.

This kind of thing involvea people, not a video game or genie you can trick.

sukhmel,

There are places that state they have “unlimited vacations” but I expect they will fire you if you take too many days off. A friend of mine has all the Fridays in the year off, plus the regular vacations.

echodot,

I don’t know where these places are but pretty much every company will have a minimum number of hours you need to work a year (they usually define this as the maximum number of holidays you can take a year rather than the number of days you actually have to work, but it works out the same way) and they’ll tell you what those are, they can’t expect you to just guess.

For example i can take a maximum of 21 holiday days a year + however many days I am sick + national holidays.

sukhmel,

Maybe although I am sure they have a very sketchy contract as they don’t adhere to regulations anyway

echodot,

This depends entirely on where the world they are

Anticorp,

Then it’s not unlimited and I’d rather just know how much time I can take off, than wondering if I’m skirting the limits.

sukhmel,

I totally agree that it’s better to know in advance. But that’s part of the strategy it seems, you’re too afraid to push it, so you get too few

echodot,

I don’t think a place like that exists I think OP’s friend is just lying to them to excuse why they got fired. I’ve never heard of a company with unlimited holidays but then fire somebody for taking them.

sukhmel, (edited )

Nah, ey were not fired (yet?) and I also worked there before unlimited vacations became a thing, so I kinda think they may went that way. As was said somewhere around this comment with unlim you can guilt/fear your employees into working more and then not pay them unspent days.

Edit: clarity

echodot,

Where is this? What is the point in guilt in your employees to work in longer hours when you can just contract them to work longer hours perfectly legally?

jjjalljs,

I think the benefits to the company of “unlimited time off” are

  • they don’t have to pay out unused time off if the person leaves
  • they don’t have to keep track of it as closely
  • sometimes people take less time off, so they get more working hours out of people
  • it looks good on paper to applicants
sukhmel,

Exactly

Also, I guess there are some fine print conditions like you get less bonuses if you’re not working enough, or you’re only eligible after working for some time. But that details I don’t know

sugar_in_your_tea,

they don’t have to pay out unused time off

Many companies don’t do that even with fixed time off: see every company I ever worked at.

jjjalljs,

Apparently this varies by state! www.paycor.com/…/pto-payout-laws-by-state/

sugar_in_your_tea,

Interesting! I grew up in WA and currently live in UT, and neither require it, though my dad had his paid out when he retired (company policy).

sukhmel,

In a third world, not EU or US, surely. The contracts and obligations are treated differently there

Aggravationstation,

Pretty much any smartphone can easily crop images. This is very likely fake.

hansl,

Someone would do that? Just go on the internet and lie?

YoorWeb,
sharkfucker420,
@sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml avatar

No, impossible

MentalEdge,
@MentalEdge@lemmy.world avatar

You’d think, but the amount of people who “save” pictures on their phones by taking a screenshot that they then don’t ever crop, is disturbing.

LostXOR,

The amount of people who save images by screenshotting them instead of downloading the image is also disturbing.

TheCrispyDud,
TheCrispyDud avatar

I find myself blocked out of downloading images more and more.

TheGreenGolem,
@TheGreenGolem@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

And Facebook and messenger saves them in some Limbo where you can never actually locate the files directly.

Anticorp,

Stop using Facebook products.

TheGreenGolem,
@TheGreenGolem@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Sure thing! I’ll just tell ALL my relatives and literally all my friends to migrate over. Messenger is the de facto messaging platform where I live, so should be easy.

jjjalljs,

Be the change you want to see.

TheGreenGolem,
@TheGreenGolem@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

I don’t really care about what app I use for messaging until it’s one and only one. I don’t want to use 6 fucking different apps to communicate with 30 people. As long as everyone is on just one, I’m okay.

Anticorp,

I get it. I have friends who won’t use anything, so we’re stuck using basic SMS to text message between iOS and Android. It’s annoying. I hate the ease at which Facebook rolled out messenger and gained mass appeal. It means that people aren’t thinking critically about what they’re doing.

JackGreenEarth,

I download them when I can, often it doesn’t work and I have to screenshot it.

StereoTrespasser,

I mean, even if the number was in the hundreds of thousands, I don’t really find it all that disturbing.

Murdoc,

More like just disappointing.

IndefiniteBen,

Depressing evidence of a failing education system.

Kolanaki,
@Kolanaki@yiffit.net avatar

Tumblr posts are like screenshots from a phone in scroll mode for an entire text book’s worth of comments.

kromem,

It probably is fake given the response, but I think you underestimate just how stupid people can be.

I have a vendor who takes our simple web form that would remember past inputs to make it easy on them when they use it, but instead prints it out, writes the answers on it with a pen, and faxes it back.

Every. Single. Time.

_danny,

Pro tip, your hot water tap probably gets to like 120, you can mix it with cold to get 100-103 pretty easily.

eek2121,

Pro tip: any company that requires you to prove that you are “sick” in order to get a day off is a shitty company. Find another job.

lightnsfw,

Yea we can call out 8x before getting fired. It doesn’t matter the reason. I still have people calling in leaving messages with exaggerated symptoms in their voice and it’s like… Bruh I don’t give a shit just don’t do it 7 more times so I don’t have to fire you.

Moobythegoldensock,

Exactly. I just text my office manager that I’m sick and will see them in a couple days, and they take care of the rest. Fuck companies that make you get a notarized letter from the CDC or whatever bullshit.

sukhmel,

Nah, better just send a pic with 120°

!Bonus points if that’s °C!<

fckreddit,

Reply would be: ”You dead yet?”

Patches,

Just don’t reply till the next work day.

crashoverride,

Pro tip even just cracking 100 isn’t really a fever, do something like 101.2 that’s a fever, but not high enough to seek medical attention just yet, so there’s no having to go to the hospital. A fever of 103 is something you need to checked out urgently to immediately

RoquetteQueen,
@RoquetteQueen@sh.itjust.works avatar

It depends on the person. One of my kids goes to 104 every time she gets a fever. It scared the crap out of me the first time but now I know to expect it.

crashoverride,

That is absolutely true, but for guidelines sake, that’s what we’re going for here

unreachable,
@unreachable@lemmy.world avatar

screenshot vs save as

BlastboomStrice,
@BlastboomStrice@mander.xyz avatar

I thought it read 100°C lol

Aggravationstation,

Lol “Sorry, I can’t come in today, I’m boiling into vapour.”

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