amniote,

Its supposed to be called betterFS but Jim Salter keeps calling it butter FS. Doesn’t really inspire confidence. At least it’s gonna need… a better name

possiblylinux127,

I don’t know who Jim is but I just call it butterfs

amniote,

Jim Salter, the former mod of r/zfs ? Former Ars Technica ? Currently in the ’ 2.5 Admins’ podcast?

He’s the hot knife of butter FS.

possiblylinux127,

Ok that still doesn’t ring a bell but he seems important to you so that’s good enough for me

beerclue,

To be honest, I don’t see a benefit for btrfs (or zfs). I prefer plain ext4 (no LVM). It’s simpler and faster. I have no need for snapshots. Proxmox handles my vms and my working machines are just a collection of dot files… But that’s just me. It’s good that there are choices.

possiblylinux127,

Ext4 is slower than btrfs

beerclue,

It’s been a while since I looked at benchmarks (www.phoronix.com/news/Linux-5.14-File-Systems). It could be these days.

billygoat,

It has been a while since I looked at it but does proxmox support HA replication using btrfs? From what I remember only zfs worked with those features.

possiblylinux127,

I don’t know as I don’t use that feature

jelloeater85,
@jelloeater85@lemmy.world avatar

I’ve used Proxmox in the past w it, worked okie. One crazy hypervisor, ton of features. I mostly stick w VMware, it just works. My uptime is measured in years.

Auli,

Well I’ll never get a uptime like they in proxmox cause I update.

possiblylinux127,

You can do the same thing with proxmox.

The benefit of proxmox is that it is libre and uses Linux components.

TCB13,
@TCB13@lemmy.world avatar

Yes BTRFS is really good and solid. Usually survives hardware failure much better than the EXT* crap. And sub volumes and snapshots, damn finally a modern filesystem.

poVoq,
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Agreed, I switched over from OpenZFS to btrfs and while it does lack some more advanced features, using btrfs for raid1 disk pools has been a very solid and hassle free experience.

Glarrf,

My anecdotal experience with btrfs is that it constantly broke in raid 1, no problems with any other filesystems on the exact same hardware and setup. YMMV

possiblylinux127,

How long ago was that? Modern btrfs is pretty stable.

Glarrf,

Last year, unraid, identical SSDs. I changed so many sata and power cables, so many settings.

jelloeater85,
@jelloeater85@lemmy.world avatar

I love it for single drives, but for RAID, ZFS all the way.

conrad82,

ZFS also supports single drives, is there a reason to use btrfs instead?

jelloeater85,
@jelloeater85@lemmy.world avatar

IIRC it works with TimeShift, aka time machine for Linux.

Appoxo,
@Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

For those without knowledge: Alternatives to BTRFS are what? EXT4 or NTFS?

Valon_Blue,
@Valon_Blue@sh.itjust.works avatar

Correct, btrfs is a filesystem format.

Appoxo,
@Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

What are the alternatives to it? NTFS? EXT4? ExFAT? FAT32??

sxan,
@sxan@midwest.social avatar

xfs. ext4 doesn’t have a comparable feature set, and nobody is going to use those others as their main filesystems on Linux. bcachefs will be a contender, once it’s included in the kernel, or if you’re the sort who compiles their own kernels.

poVoq,
@poVoq@slrpnk.net avatar

The only file-system that is somewhat comparable to btrfs is OpenZFS. Xfs isn’t.

Appoxo,
@Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Seems like zfs or btrfs?
At least I usually read about storage file system usually being ZFS by default.

jelloeater85,
@jelloeater85@lemmy.world avatar

ZFS has been around for a long time. Rock solid w RAID. See FreeNAS. ZFS was orig on BSD but AFAIK got ported to Linux a while back.

possiblylinux127,

It now TrueNAS and both freebsd and Linux use the same implementation (openzfs)

sxan,
@sxan@midwest.social avatar

Yeah, zfs is what I meant. Or yfs, as in “Y-use anything but btr-FS?”

possiblylinux127,

Mostly ZFS, XFS and ext4

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